1 00:00:08,390 --> 00:00:04,370 so you have personal experience with the 2 00:00:09,950 --> 00:00:08,400 nimitz ah not you you mean the Nimitz in 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:09,960 incident or the ship itself the ship 4 00:00:12,830 --> 00:00:11,610 itself I don't know I had a bunch of 5 00:00:14,060 --> 00:00:12,840 traps on a bunch of different ships I'm 6 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:14,070 not sure if I don't think I ever landed 7 00:00:18,890 --> 00:00:16,800 on the Nimitz I've been on it on my DV 8 00:00:20,599 --> 00:00:18,900 tour so when I took after I retired I 9 00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:20,609 took a bunch of people out to the Nimitz 10 00:00:25,310 --> 00:00:22,470 a friend of mine was the executive 11 00:00:28,130 --> 00:00:25,320 officer of the Nimitz and so I went out 12 00:00:29,900 --> 00:00:28,140 there and what I learned on board is 13 00:00:31,970 --> 00:00:29,910 that they're all part of a zat a strike 14 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:31,980 group is that what they call it yes so 15 00:00:35,690 --> 00:00:34,170 if you can think of a it's called a 16 00:00:36,889 --> 00:00:35,700 carrier strike group if you can think of 17 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:36,899 a carrier strike group as like a 18 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:38,670 football team okay everybody there's a 19 00:00:43,819 --> 00:00:41,160 bunch of different positions and they 20 00:00:45,619 --> 00:00:43,829 all have their specific jobs each one of 21 00:00:48,650 --> 00:00:45,629 them being a different ship well not 22 00:00:49,970 --> 00:00:48,660 just ships but ships and squadrons that 23 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:49,980 are on the aircraft carrier okay so you 24 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:52,890 you've got destroyers that are in charge 25 00:00:58,010 --> 00:00:56,160 of working in the anti-submarine network 26 00:01:00,680 --> 00:00:58,020 you've got the ship like the Princeton 27 00:01:02,150 --> 00:01:00,690 which is in charge of the air arena 28 00:01:03,470 --> 00:01:02,160 there's a submarine underneath that 29 00:01:06,230 --> 00:01:03,480 obviously is dealing with other 30 00:01:07,820 --> 00:01:06,240 submarines then you've got all nine 31 00:01:09,140 --> 00:01:07,830 squadrons roughly on the aircraft 32 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:09,150 carrier itself a bunch of them are 33 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:10,830 fighters there's everyone early warning 34 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:12,000 there's a helicopter squadron there's 35 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:13,680 jammers so everybody's got their own 36 00:01:19,249 --> 00:01:16,680 role now when this when the Carrier 37 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:19,259 Strike Group is not being used as a 38 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:21,810 strike group all of those positions go 39 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:23,460 to their own home bases so all the ships 40 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:25,650 go to their home ports the squadrons go 41 00:01:29,539 --> 00:01:27,960 to their home bases and everybody does 42 00:01:31,940 --> 00:01:29,549 unit level training so they just get 43 00:01:33,620 --> 00:01:31,950 better at you know flying an airplane or 44 00:01:35,690 --> 00:01:33,630 maneuvering a ship or whatever it is and 45 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:35,700 then as you get closer to going on 46 00:01:38,870 --> 00:01:36,960 deployment and the deployments are 47 00:01:40,490 --> 00:01:38,880 scheduled years in advance then they 48 00:01:44,350 --> 00:01:40,500 bring they start bringing everybody 49 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:44,360 together piece by piece crawl walk run 50 00:01:51,649 --> 00:01:47,850 you know month on a month off the planes 51 00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:51,659 will go down and go to ranges in either 52 00:01:57,590 --> 00:01:54,840 Florida or Southern California to do 53 00:01:59,060 --> 00:01:57,600 some bombing and aerial work the ships 54 00:02:01,190 --> 00:01:59,070 do whatever ships do I'm not a ship guy 55 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:01,200 so I'm not super familiar with it but 56 00:02:04,910 --> 00:02:03,570 then slowly and surely everybody starts 57 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:04,920 coming together once they're kind of 58 00:02:09,219 --> 00:02:06,930 qualified on a unit level then they 59 00:02:11,869 --> 00:02:09,229 start coming together as a strike group 60 00:02:12,830 --> 00:02:11,879 and how many total ships in a strike 61 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:12,840 group 62 00:02:17,780 --> 00:02:16,260 I think it's like six five to six 63 00:02:19,460 --> 00:02:17,790 something like that sorry that was new 64 00:02:21,170 --> 00:02:19,470 to me yes the picture an aircraft 65 00:02:23,660 --> 00:02:21,180 carrier out there doing its thing but no 66 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:23,670 they don't travel alone as a huge 67 00:02:27,050 --> 00:02:25,500 command and there's a commander of the 68 00:02:28,430 --> 00:02:27,060 aircraft carrier and then there's a 69 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:28,440 commander of the entire strike group 70 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:29,400 yeah the Admirals in charge of the 71 00:02:34,550 --> 00:02:31,170 strike group and he's he's the real boss 72 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:34,560 in this whole thing so and the carrier 73 00:02:41,210 --> 00:02:38,010 has two different captains there's the 74 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:41,220 captain of the ship who's a his rank is 75 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:44,250 a captain and he's also his position as 76 00:02:48,949 --> 00:02:46,500 a captain so he's both a captain by rank 77 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:48,959 and my position is the boss of the ship 78 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:51,030 itself but if you think about the ship 79 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:53,130 as like an apartment building then you 80 00:02:56,570 --> 00:02:54,930 fill it up with the tenants and in fact 81 00:02:58,670 --> 00:02:56,580 they're called tenant commands that come 82 00:03:01,729 --> 00:02:58,680 on board and those are all the squadrons 83 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:01,739 and the squadrons are commanded by the 84 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:04,560 commander of the Air Wing CAG commanded 85 00:03:09,229 --> 00:03:06,570 their group and he's also a captain so 86 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:09,239 you've got two people of equal rank that 87 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:12,030 together work to make the ship in the 88 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:16,170 air wing a team so so going back to 2004 89 00:03:21,140 --> 00:03:19,049 in the Nimitz incident yep tallest based 90 00:03:23,449 --> 00:03:21,150 on your understanding what were they 91 00:03:27,979 --> 00:03:23,459 what was going on with the USS Nimitz at 92 00:03:30,229 --> 00:03:27,989 that time okay they were in they were in 93 00:03:32,060 --> 00:03:30,239 one of their workup periods so they were 94 00:03:33,710 --> 00:03:32,070 just off the coast of San Diego in the 95 00:03:36,789 --> 00:03:33,720 West Coast Navy we do most of our work 96 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:36,799 ups off of San Diego when we're afloat 97 00:03:43,340 --> 00:03:39,530 and it's always roughly the same spot 98 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:43,350 and is that where you first earned your 99 00:03:51,140 --> 00:03:43,890 wings 100 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:51,150 the Gulf of Mexico on the Lexington tiny 101 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:53,790 little aircraft carrier in an a4 but 102 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:55,049 then I went in flew a six is that it 103 00:03:59,539 --> 00:03:57,510 would be Island so my I've the plane I 104 00:04:02,780 --> 00:03:59,549 flew first was a medium all-weather 105 00:04:04,910 --> 00:04:02,790 bomber day/night bomber and there's my 106 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:04,920 ship was the Ranger and the Ranger was 107 00:04:10,819 --> 00:04:06,480 stationed down in San Diego and whenever 108 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:10,829 the ship in the air weighing and the 109 00:04:15,620 --> 00:04:13,860 strike group we're doing work ups we 110 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:15,630 would all kind of gather from you know 111 00:04:19,190 --> 00:04:17,250 would be alland which is near Seattle 112 00:04:21,890 --> 00:04:19,200 and l'amour and the fighter guys out in 113 00:04:23,330 --> 00:04:21,900 San Diego and you know people from or 114 00:04:25,100 --> 00:04:23,340 squadrons from all different parts of 115 00:04:26,210 --> 00:04:25,110 the west coast would all congregate and 116 00:04:26,570 --> 00:04:26,220 the ship would pull out and we don't 117 00:04:28,909 --> 00:04:26,580 land 118 00:04:30,170 --> 00:04:28,919 on it and then the other ships in the 119 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:30,180 strike group would join us but not 120 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:31,860 always I mean it depends on what level 121 00:04:35,659 --> 00:04:33,210 of training you're doing sometimes it's 122 00:04:38,749 --> 00:04:35,669 just the carrier and sometimes the ships 123 00:04:42,050 --> 00:04:38,759 are doing their their thing separately 124 00:04:44,089 --> 00:04:42,060 so but like I said as you're working up 125 00:04:45,260 --> 00:04:44,099 to go on your six-month deployment where 126 00:04:46,730 --> 00:04:45,270 everybody's at the top of their game 127 00:04:48,230 --> 00:04:46,740 because they're they're going into a 128 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:48,240 combat zone or potentially they're 129 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:50,849 they're getting ready to get to be the 130 00:04:55,159 --> 00:04:52,590 carrier that's on call for whatever hot 131 00:04:58,129 --> 00:04:55,169 spot happens in the world and it's a 132 00:05:01,640 --> 00:04:58,139 roughly 18-month process to get up to 133 00:05:05,659 --> 00:05:01,650 speed one of the phases of that training 134 00:05:08,990 --> 00:05:05,669 is comp 2x and it's where for the first 135 00:05:10,700 --> 00:05:09,000 time the ships and and the Air Wing and 136 00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:10,710 the carrier all come together and try to 137 00:05:14,990 --> 00:05:13,409 operate as a big unit as a big football 138 00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:15,000 team everybody doing their job 139 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:16,500 and that's what was going on at that 140 00:05:22,550 --> 00:05:17,969 time with the Numis that's exactly right 141 00:05:25,339 --> 00:05:22,560 yeah so and David flavor 142 00:05:28,309 --> 00:05:25,349 yeah was the squadron commander hip 143 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:28,319 right which means he's what head of all 144 00:05:35,749 --> 00:05:33,449 the f-18 pilots in his squadron so and 145 00:05:38,269 --> 00:05:35,759 he did I've known Dave for almost 30 146 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:38,279 years now a long time we flew a 6 147 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:39,690 together we were on the Ranger together 148 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:42,000 I've known him forever 149 00:05:49,010 --> 00:05:44,449 he was the commanding officer of VF 41 150 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:49,020 one of three fighter squadrons on in 151 00:05:52,790 --> 00:05:51,150 that air wing ok there was one of the 152 00:05:54,740 --> 00:05:52,800 other fighter squadrons was a Marine 153 00:05:57,559 --> 00:05:54,750 Corps fighter squadron flying the seas 154 00:06:00,350 --> 00:05:57,569 and then there was another single-seat 155 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Rhino or Super Hornet squadron okay I 156 00:06:04,610 --> 00:06:02,250 know know this makes any sense to you 157 00:06:06,769 --> 00:06:04,620 but there's three different squadrons 158 00:06:08,709 --> 00:06:06,779 they all have slightly different roles 159 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:08,719 even though they're all flying f-18s 160 00:06:14,629 --> 00:06:12,210 dave squadron was a two-seat f-18 161 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:14,639 squadron okay so every jet had a pilot 162 00:06:21,170 --> 00:06:15,180 and a whizzo 163 00:06:24,019 --> 00:06:21,180 in the back and when did you first learn 164 00:06:26,990 --> 00:06:24,029 about what Dave saw that day 165 00:06:29,329 --> 00:06:27,000 yeah so the funny thing is that this was 166 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:29,339 just the best bar story ever for a long 167 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:32,819 time this happened in 2004 obviously and 168 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:34,289 then I think I first heard about it in 169 00:06:40,189 --> 00:06:37,110 two thousand seven or eight and a mutual 170 00:06:42,739 --> 00:06:40,199 friend of ours Matt Sturgis was you know 171 00:06:44,929 --> 00:06:42,749 sat down at the bar and you know I'm the 172 00:06:46,369 --> 00:06:44,939 last guy in and and Matt goes hey Dave 173 00:06:48,679 --> 00:06:46,379 tell park of the UFO Stewart am I gonna 174 00:06:50,929 --> 00:06:48,689 whatever because you know as pilots one 175 00:06:52,339 --> 00:06:50,939 of the things you always get asked is 176 00:06:53,749 --> 00:06:52,349 have you ever seen a UFO 177 00:06:57,469 --> 00:06:53,759 I mean I've been flying all my adult 178 00:07:01,850 --> 00:06:57,479 life I've never seen anything so there 179 00:07:02,929 --> 00:07:01,860 goes that question yeah good on that so 180 00:07:04,489 --> 00:07:02,939 you know maybe the first time you heard 181 00:07:07,610 --> 00:07:04,499 about it was from Dave himself oh yeah 182 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:07,620 okay yes and in a bar over drinks and he 183 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:10,289 tells me the story and and I'm kind of 184 00:07:14,659 --> 00:07:11,969 looking at him to see if he's kidding or 185 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:14,669 pulling my leg but he's dead serious and 186 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:16,529 he tells me the whole thing and in 187 00:07:21,709 --> 00:07:19,409 really really exacting detail and I was 188 00:07:22,969 --> 00:07:21,719 just kind of blown away and and I heard 189 00:07:24,559 --> 00:07:22,979 it over the course of the years a few 190 00:07:27,050 --> 00:07:24,569 more times because then I would be the 191 00:07:28,730 --> 00:07:27,060 guy that said hey Dave tell you know 192 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:28,740 this new guy the awesome story about the 193 00:07:34,610 --> 00:07:31,169 UFO and then I would share that story 194 00:07:38,540 --> 00:07:34,620 with my friends and I would use the 195 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:38,550 video what I think it's come to be 196 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:40,889 called a tic-tac video you know that the 197 00:07:46,189 --> 00:07:44,370 video from from the other planes as 198 00:07:47,570 --> 00:07:46,199 punctuation so I would you know tell him 199 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:47,580 the story and I'd say don't don't look 200 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:49,919 at the video yet listen what I say and 201 00:07:53,089 --> 00:07:51,300 then the video will make sense how did 202 00:07:55,700 --> 00:07:53,099 you get the video it was on YouTube it 203 00:07:57,409 --> 00:07:55,710 was totally open and free just didn't 204 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:57,419 make any sense to anybody and what was 205 00:08:00,230 --> 00:07:59,250 your understanding because I I think you 206 00:08:02,029 --> 00:08:00,240 know we've talked to a number of people 207 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:02,039 about this at this point and I'm getting 208 00:08:05,089 --> 00:08:04,110 a couple interviews confused but I think 209 00:08:06,950 --> 00:08:05,099 we had learned that it was put on 210 00:08:10,909 --> 00:08:06,960 YouTube and then taken off of youtube so 211 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:10,919 yeah so in 2015 I became the editor of 212 00:08:15,439 --> 00:08:13,409 an online fighter magazine called 213 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:15,449 fighter sweep and one of the first 214 00:08:20,629 --> 00:08:17,550 articles I and I'd always wanted to 215 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:20,639 write the story of this sighting because 216 00:08:25,629 --> 00:08:21,990 it just stuck with me it's just such a 217 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:25,639 crazy unique story and it's such a great 218 00:08:30,559 --> 00:08:28,409 it's just a great story and I I always 219 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:30,569 wanted to write the story so I get the 220 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:32,250 opportunity I've got a great audience 221 00:08:37,449 --> 00:08:34,409 now and I and I call Dave up and I say 222 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:37,459 hey dude I'm writing an article on your 223 00:08:42,019 --> 00:08:39,240 experiences that are and he's like you 224 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:42,029 know that this is 2015 so this was the 225 00:08:46,340 --> 00:08:43,440 first article written about the the 226 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:46,350 tic-tac and Dave's experience and it's 227 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:48,000 online like it's still online if you 228 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:50,220 want to check it out it's called there I 229 00:08:54,229 --> 00:08:52,889 was the x-files edition it just 230 00:08:56,210 --> 00:08:54,239 and it'll pop right out is that what you 231 00:08:57,979 --> 00:08:56,220 shared with me yeah okay so I read that 232 00:08:59,389 --> 00:08:57,989 obviously in a tent in preparation for 233 00:09:01,759 --> 00:08:59,399 this interview but I didn't realize that 234 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:01,769 you had written in 15 I was thinking 235 00:09:06,530 --> 00:09:03,420 that you wrote it you know post the 236 00:09:07,939 --> 00:09:06,540 released wider yeah no no no this is two 237 00:09:09,979 --> 00:09:07,949 years before the New York Times jumped 238 00:09:11,419 --> 00:09:09,989 on the story so this was for whatever 239 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:11,429 it's worth this is the first article 240 00:09:14,749 --> 00:09:13,470 written about that the UFO experience so 241 00:09:16,309 --> 00:09:14,759 you don't get enough credit for that 242 00:09:19,780 --> 00:09:16,319 I knew York Times is getting all the 243 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:19,790 credit yeah that's fine I it's whatever 244 00:09:23,929 --> 00:09:22,290 so I called Dave up and I say I'm gonna 245 00:09:26,329 --> 00:09:23,939 write this article about this awesome 246 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:26,339 story you've been telling can you give 247 00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:27,480 me any more detail so he goes you're not 248 00:09:32,629 --> 00:09:28,579 gonna believe this 249 00:09:34,429 --> 00:09:32,639 they just left the the investigation 250 00:09:37,609 --> 00:09:34,439 that oh and I office of naval 251 00:09:41,419 --> 00:09:37,619 investigations has literally just walked 252 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:41,429 out my door and they for the first time 253 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:45,929 in 11 years anybody is taking any thing 254 00:09:51,109 --> 00:09:47,809 that happened on that day seriously and 255 00:09:54,229 --> 00:09:51,119 the guy has interviewed everybody that 256 00:09:57,109 --> 00:09:54,239 was involved you know all on the 257 00:09:59,539 --> 00:09:57,119 Princeton the e2 the helicopter guy you 258 00:10:04,039 --> 00:09:59,549 know everybody the submarines and they 259 00:10:06,169 --> 00:10:04,049 have this exhaustive massive report and 260 00:10:09,079 --> 00:10:06,179 it to be clear who was doing this 261 00:10:11,629 --> 00:10:09,089 investigation so entity the office of 262 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:11,639 naval investigations supposedly but I I 263 00:10:17,299 --> 00:10:14,850 think and this 11 years after the fact 264 00:10:19,669 --> 00:10:17,309 correct raver says for the first time 265 00:10:21,710 --> 00:10:19,679 yeah he's actually asked about this by 266 00:10:24,169 --> 00:10:21,720 someone who's by somebody who wasn't on 267 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:24,179 the Nimitz giving him grief basically or 268 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:28,169 or at a bar where to bar yeah and I was 269 00:10:32,509 --> 00:10:28,889 like holy crap 270 00:10:36,409 --> 00:10:32,519 so I subsequently got my hands on that 271 00:10:38,869 --> 00:10:36,419 report and it's exhaustive it's got all 272 00:10:40,460 --> 00:10:38,879 kinds of names and details and that's 273 00:10:41,929 --> 00:10:40,470 what my article is based on so my 274 00:10:45,529 --> 00:10:41,939 article is basically an unclassified 275 00:10:47,539 --> 00:10:45,539 version of the full oh and I or maybe 276 00:10:49,609 --> 00:10:47,549 usually that the report is classified 277 00:10:52,489 --> 00:10:49,619 then yeah it's never come out so that 278 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:52,499 cover sheet came out and I saw that cuz 279 00:10:57,319 --> 00:10:54,230 I was just doing some research for this 280 00:10:59,029 --> 00:10:57,329 interview but the whole thing it's 281 00:11:01,970 --> 00:10:59,039 probably I don't know 25 to 30 pages I 282 00:11:03,650 --> 00:11:01,980 got a right here he's got the whole 283 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:03,660 report there yeah but it's classified I 284 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:07,049 guess somebody sent it to me okay 285 00:11:12,169 --> 00:11:09,689 and I promise mean by the cover page has 286 00:11:13,819 --> 00:11:12,179 been released the cover page the 287 00:11:16,669 --> 00:11:13,829 executive summary and you can you can 288 00:11:21,379 --> 00:11:16,679 see that it's it's on the internet it's 289 00:11:24,499 --> 00:11:21,389 it's this thing right here I promise I 290 00:11:25,609 --> 00:11:24,509 promise never did and the reason it I 291 00:11:27,109 --> 00:11:25,619 don't think there's anything in here 292 00:11:28,249 --> 00:11:27,119 that's super secret it's just that 293 00:11:30,019 --> 00:11:28,259 there's a bunch of names of people who 294 00:11:35,210 --> 00:11:30,029 didn't want to be dragged through the 295 00:11:36,979 --> 00:11:35,220 mock so and and what does what 296 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:36,989 relationship to that report says a tip 297 00:11:43,699 --> 00:11:40,290 have if anything so as far as I 298 00:11:46,549 --> 00:11:43,709 understand this was an a tip report 299 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:46,559 because it was never released and it was 300 00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:49,019 FOIA exempt from of Information Act 301 00:11:55,189 --> 00:11:52,019 exempt and a no and I report would not 302 00:11:56,689 --> 00:11:55,199 be exempt so okay so in other words that 303 00:11:59,359 --> 00:11:56,699 has may have been a different 304 00:12:01,609 --> 00:11:59,369 investigation the same it just that they 305 00:12:03,199 --> 00:12:01,619 said they were oh and I that's my 306 00:12:04,579 --> 00:12:03,209 understanding I don't know what the 307 00:12:06,049 --> 00:12:04,589 truth behind that is I have absolutely 308 00:12:08,090 --> 00:12:06,059 no proof on that other than that it was 309 00:12:10,489 --> 00:12:08,100 not okay so sorry so as you sit here 310 00:12:14,329 --> 00:12:10,499 today you believe that when favor was 311 00:12:16,629 --> 00:12:14,339 contacted in 15 really that was a result 312 00:12:18,590 --> 00:12:16,639 of a tip investigating this incident 313 00:12:20,090 --> 00:12:18,600 that's my guess yeah 314 00:12:25,009 --> 00:12:20,100 and that's the only thing I can come up 315 00:12:28,069 --> 00:12:25,019 with anyway so I got this and like I 316 00:12:29,739 --> 00:12:28,079 said I wrote my article after reading 317 00:12:33,229 --> 00:12:29,749 through this about five hundred times 318 00:12:35,449 --> 00:12:33,239 and so it's it's about as close as you 319 00:12:37,549 --> 00:12:35,459 can get to this original a tip yeah and 320 00:12:39,739 --> 00:12:37,559 by the education that investigation is 321 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:39,749 it consistent with what favor originally 322 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:43,470 told you in the bar yeah yeah and then 323 00:12:47,689 --> 00:12:45,569 it turns out that it's not just favor 324 00:12:50,419 --> 00:12:47,699 saying this it's a lot of people saying 325 00:12:53,689 --> 00:12:50,429 this well that's that's what makes this 326 00:12:55,549 --> 00:12:53,699 I think a compelling story if it was 327 00:12:59,629 --> 00:12:55,559 just for a ver and again I know him I 328 00:13:01,249 --> 00:12:59,639 would mostly believe him because you 329 00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:01,259 know it's a UFO story right I mean UFO 330 00:13:08,269 --> 00:13:03,660 stories have always been a little bit 331 00:13:13,340 --> 00:13:08,279 fringy and and tough to believe but 332 00:13:15,829 --> 00:13:13,350 after reading this I'm convinced that 333 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:15,839 this event happened I don't know you 334 00:13:19,429 --> 00:13:17,850 know we we can ask more questions about 335 00:13:19,910 --> 00:13:19,439 that later but I'm convinced that this 336 00:13:22,699 --> 00:13:19,920 happened 337 00:13:25,069 --> 00:13:22,709 is an exhaustive report again and it's 338 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:25,079 very detailed let's talk about the video 339 00:13:29,150 --> 00:13:26,730 for a second cuz you said you saw it 340 00:13:30,949 --> 00:13:29,160 the original YouTube video yeah you know 341 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:30,959 one of the reasons that I think has kept 342 00:13:37,819 --> 00:13:33,930 the story even today a little fringy now 343 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:37,829 is the video looks like your typical UFO 344 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:39,570 video you know something green on the 345 00:13:46,210 --> 00:13:43,050 sky so walk us through shorter video 346 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:46,220 itself and frankly why isn't it better 347 00:13:59,240 --> 00:13:52,529 well okay so the video shows an object 348 00:14:04,129 --> 00:13:59,250 on on a Ford looking infrared device and 349 00:14:06,290 --> 00:14:04,139 it's hovering in midair well let's get 350 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:06,300 to that if I could talk you through that 351 00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:09,810 whole episode where the video itself was 352 00:14:13,970 --> 00:14:11,600 recorded I think I like a lot more sense 353 00:14:17,420 --> 00:14:13,980 and the fact that's that's a good idea 354 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:17,430 and also your thoughts on the fact that 355 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:20,310 these guys were sent out to look for 356 00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:23,190 this thing or they weren't though you 357 00:14:28,130 --> 00:14:26,519 mean Dave Dave okay so well we the 358 00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:28,140 beginning yeah okay so just to synopsize 359 00:14:31,460 --> 00:14:30,060 like really really quickly all the 360 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:31,470 details that happened on that day so the 361 00:14:36,290 --> 00:14:33,420 the ships from the Carrier Strike Group 362 00:14:39,380 --> 00:14:36,300 are on station before the Air Wing shows 363 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:39,390 up for some period of time maybe 10 days 364 00:14:44,870 --> 00:14:42,060 before they get there and on the 10th 365 00:14:45,980 --> 00:14:44,880 they start the Princeton itself and only 366 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:45,990 the Princeton because it's got that 367 00:14:50,329 --> 00:14:48,000 magnificent radar starts picking up 368 00:14:52,699 --> 00:14:50,339 these things dropping from outside with 369 00:14:56,180 --> 00:14:52,709 scan volume so if you can imagine a 370 00:14:58,220 --> 00:14:56,190 radar as like a television screen and 371 00:15:00,259 --> 00:14:58,230 you're you're looking at the television 372 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:00,269 screen that goes from the surface of the 373 00:15:06,199 --> 00:15:04,010 earth to say I don't know 60,000 feet 374 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:06,209 these objects are falling from above 375 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:08,910 that scan volume and very very very 376 00:15:15,559 --> 00:15:13,529 quickly going down to 50 feet ish moving 377 00:15:20,329 --> 00:15:15,569 around for a little bit and then 378 00:15:22,699 --> 00:15:20,339 disappearing or going back up and so 379 00:15:24,889 --> 00:15:22,709 they they have according to this report 380 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:24,899 they have three instances of that and 381 00:15:28,009 --> 00:15:26,100 they don't really know what it is they 382 00:15:30,259 --> 00:15:28,019 have know that no one's ever seen this 383 00:15:31,550 --> 00:15:30,269 before they at first think there's 384 00:15:33,260 --> 00:15:31,560 something wrong with the machinery so 385 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:33,270 they reboot the machinery the 386 00:15:38,540 --> 00:15:35,250 meteorologists of the ship comes up and 387 00:15:41,090 --> 00:15:38,550 says perhaps it's ice crystals like an 388 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:41,100 ice ball dropping they don't know nobody 389 00:15:46,330 --> 00:15:43,710 knows nobody can figure out what's going 390 00:15:49,220 --> 00:15:46,340 on but one thing that's consistent is 391 00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:49,230 from above the scan volume very quickly 392 00:15:57,860 --> 00:15:54,390 down to sea level and then leaving so on 393 00:15:59,930 --> 00:15:57,870 the 14th of November 2004 the Air Wing 394 00:16:02,330 --> 00:15:59,940 shows up all right they may have shown 395 00:16:04,210 --> 00:16:02,340 up before that or a day or so but on the 396 00:16:07,460 --> 00:16:04,220 14th is when they finally were able to 397 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:07,470 get some airplanes to go check this spot 398 00:16:11,930 --> 00:16:09,690 out it's so it's always the same spot 399 00:16:13,940 --> 00:16:11,940 latitude and longitude so it's there's 400 00:16:15,710 --> 00:16:13,950 nothing out there it's just ocean but 401 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:15,720 it's a consistent latitude and longitude 402 00:16:20,690 --> 00:16:18,480 over the ocean about 70 miles southwest 403 00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:20,700 of San Diego 30 miles off the coast of 404 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:23,430 Mexico international waters but but 405 00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:25,290 sorry seen one at a time or more than 406 00:16:34,130 --> 00:16:27,360 one at the time this report says one at 407 00:16:36,290 --> 00:16:34,140 a time ok and it's very clear and that 408 00:16:39,380 --> 00:16:36,300 that's all the information I have on you 409 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:39,390 know quantities and it's also it doesn't 410 00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:41,610 it wasn't happening frequently I think 411 00:16:45,290 --> 00:16:43,500 it says very distinctly that there were 412 00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:45,300 only three instances and one of which is 413 00:16:51,740 --> 00:16:48,560 the one where the pilots were there so 414 00:16:53,180 --> 00:16:51,750 dave and his wingman take off there's so 415 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:53,190 there's four people in two airplanes 416 00:16:56,060 --> 00:16:54,240 they take off and they're going to go 417 00:16:58,550 --> 00:16:56,070 out and do a training mission about 100 418 00:17:00,920 --> 00:16:58,560 miles south of the carrier air-to-air 419 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:00,930 training mission the commanding officer 420 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:03,210 of the marine squadron is in a 421 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:06,000 single-seat Hornet and he takes off a 422 00:17:10,910 --> 00:17:07,830 little bit earlier and goes and does 423 00:17:12,410 --> 00:17:10,920 what's called prone go a post 424 00:17:14,510 --> 00:17:12,420 maintenance check flight on his airplane 425 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:14,520 some some maintenance had been performed 426 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,290 and then assuming that it comes up all 427 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:18,000 right he's gonna go and be the bad guy 428 00:17:21,410 --> 00:17:19,530 the adversary for Dave and his wingman 429 00:17:24,590 --> 00:17:21,420 and he's gonna fly further south now is 430 00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:24,600 he's flying the Princeton comes up and 431 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:26,190 says hey do you mind going to check out 432 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:28,590 something over this water we've over the 433 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:29,700 spot of the water we've got an 434 00:17:34,790 --> 00:17:32,520 unidentified aerial contact he's like 435 00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,800 sure and he starts heading in that 436 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:37,280 direction he's about 20,000 feet just a 437 00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:40,410 economy cruise stone about say 250 300 438 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:44,430 knots and then the first of the bizarre 439 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:45,460 things 440 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:46,840 happens they asked him if he's got any 441 00:17:54,540 --> 00:17:50,440 weapons on board and he says no which is 442 00:17:56,580 --> 00:17:54,550 very weird and this is the Marine pilot 443 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:56,590 yes the Marine pilot had this line by 444 00:18:01,380 --> 00:17:58,210 himself fine by himself and he says no 445 00:18:04,110 --> 00:18:01,390 and why what part is weird that they 446 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:04,120 would ask him or they wouldn't have no 447 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:05,050 it's weird that they would ask him 448 00:18:07,290 --> 00:18:06,310 because we don't carry weapons unless 449 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:07,300 we're in a combat zone 450 00:18:14,940 --> 00:18:13,450 there's no point right so he flies to 451 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:14,950 the spot that they've asked him to go to 452 00:18:19,260 --> 00:18:17,170 and as he's getting closer he starts a 453 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:19,270 gentle descent it down to about 10,000 454 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:22,090 feet and as he gets pretty close on his 455 00:18:25,670 --> 00:18:24,220 radar he picks up Dave and his wingman 456 00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:25,680 on radar but that's all he sees 457 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:27,550 Princeton comes up and says hey do you 458 00:18:29,130 --> 00:18:27,910 mind 459 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:29,140 skipping it because we've got another 460 00:18:33,450 --> 00:18:31,450 section in the area we don't want it we 461 00:18:36,690 --> 00:18:33,460 want to deconflict if you could just get 462 00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:36,700 out of the area and he says sure but of 463 00:18:41,370 --> 00:18:39,070 course being a Navy pilot marine he just 464 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:41,380 keeps going and he flies right over the 465 00:18:47,250 --> 00:18:45,250 spot and he sees what looks at first he 466 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:47,260 thinks maybe it's something sinking you 467 00:18:51,780 --> 00:18:48,850 know he sees bunch of bubbles coming up 468 00:18:53,970 --> 00:18:51,790 it it sounds like what he's heard the 469 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:53,980 sea looks like when a ship is sinking or 470 00:18:59,340 --> 00:18:58,090 something like then and his second 471 00:19:02,640 --> 00:18:59,350 thought is that maybe it's like an 472 00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:02,650 undersea Atoll just a circular thing 473 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:04,360 with the waves kind of breaking over it 474 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:06,490 and the rest of the sea is glassy smooth 475 00:19:11,940 --> 00:19:08,770 there's no real waves there's it's just 476 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:11,950 a smooth sea so he doesn't think much of 477 00:19:15,330 --> 00:19:13,780 it he fly he sees Dave and his wingman 478 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:15,340 he turns to go away and he looks back 479 00:19:18,750 --> 00:19:16,840 behind over shoulder and there's nothing 480 00:19:20,490 --> 00:19:18,760 there that whatever was there is gone 481 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:20,500 and that and to see his glassy smooth 482 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:23,710 once again and that's his experience 483 00:19:29,910 --> 00:19:27,190 that's it for him he now leaves Dave and 484 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:29,920 his wingman and the two whiz O's get the 485 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:32,290 same call hey do you mind going to check 486 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:33,970 out this spot we think there's something 487 00:19:38,430 --> 00:19:37,030 there we don't know what it is oh by the 488 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:38,440 way to have any weapons on board and 489 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:40,870 they say again no and they're all struck 490 00:19:46,530 --> 00:19:44,530 by how bizarre that question is and as 491 00:19:51,210 --> 00:19:46,540 they're getting closer and starting to 492 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:51,220 descend Dave sees the same circle of 493 00:19:53,790 --> 00:19:52,810 frothing water and he described it 494 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:53,800 slightly differently he said it looked 495 00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:55,090 like it was boiling like there was a 496 00:19:57,940 --> 00:19:56,500 bunch of bubbles coming up but it was a 497 00:20:02,320 --> 00:19:57,950 50 to 100 meter 498 00:20:04,509 --> 00:20:02,330 Circle and at first he thought maybe 499 00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:04,519 there was a 737 or an airliner that had 500 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:06,830 crashed in there cuz he thought he maybe 501 00:20:12,370 --> 00:20:08,809 saw something that was floating in the 502 00:20:15,610 --> 00:20:12,380 middle of that and as he's kind of going 503 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:15,620 down he spots and on the way they they 504 00:20:17,889 --> 00:20:16,730 couldn't get anything on the radar 505 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:17,899 there's nothing that would come up on 506 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:18,850 the radar 507 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:21,230 and it's brand-new airplane super 508 00:20:28,210 --> 00:20:25,190 sophisticated fighter Reno and as he's 509 00:20:31,090 --> 00:20:28,220 going down he first spots he and his 510 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:31,100 widow and the other crews spot the 511 00:20:37,299 --> 00:20:33,529 tic-tac which they is what Dave refer to 512 00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:37,309 it as sort of buzzing around this water 513 00:20:42,330 --> 00:20:39,590 and it's he said very specifically it's 514 00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:42,340 oriented north-south and it's kind of 515 00:20:49,779 --> 00:20:46,000 moving back and forth erratically 516 00:20:51,370 --> 00:20:49,789 north-south over water that is bubbling 517 00:20:54,009 --> 00:20:51,380 or doing frothing or whatever yeah it's 518 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:54,019 this spot of disturbed water the circle 519 00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:56,690 of disturbed water and so Dave starts 520 00:21:00,879 --> 00:20:58,880 going down he's passing about 10,000 521 00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:00,889 feet he has his wingman hold her 522 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:03,320 position above and I cover and he starts 523 00:21:08,590 --> 00:21:05,510 going down and as he's descending to try 524 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:08,600 and do a low pass on this thing it he 525 00:21:13,659 --> 00:21:10,610 said it seemed like it took note of him 526 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:13,669 so again it's it's an oblong shape and 527 00:21:18,340 --> 00:21:15,590 it wasn't pointed at him but then as 528 00:21:20,049 --> 00:21:18,350 he's coming down at it it turns towards 529 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:20,059 him to face its skinny end at him and 530 00:21:24,820 --> 00:21:22,730 then as he's coming down in a right 531 00:21:26,649 --> 00:21:24,830 right-hand circle say you're at six 532 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:26,659 o'clock now and and the things at 12 533 00:21:31,210 --> 00:21:28,610 o'clock in the the waters in the middle 534 00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:31,220 as he's coming down the water goes calm 535 00:21:37,149 --> 00:21:35,120 and the thing starts coming up at him so 536 00:21:38,769 --> 00:21:37,159 it's mirroring his action he's going 537 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:38,779 down right hand turn it's coming up in a 538 00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:40,490 right-hand turn and they go all the way 539 00:21:44,860 --> 00:21:42,950 around and they're talking the guy in 540 00:21:46,659 --> 00:21:44,870 the backseat is talking to the princeton 541 00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:46,669 on the radio it's talking to the other 542 00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:48,950 aircraft on the radio all four people in 543 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:51,830 the cockpits are witnessing what's 544 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:53,230 happening very clearly and distinctly 545 00:21:58,690 --> 00:21:57,049 they go around once and dave digs 546 00:22:01,210 --> 00:21:58,700 there's there's this fighter maneuver 547 00:22:04,419 --> 00:22:01,220 called you know cutting off cutting off 548 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:04,429 the circle here low yo-yoed to cut off 549 00:22:08,409 --> 00:22:05,960 the vector to try and rendezvous on 550 00:22:10,770 --> 00:22:08,419 whatever it is you're fighting against 551 00:22:12,900 --> 00:22:10,780 and he goes nose low and as 552 00:22:15,420 --> 00:22:12,910 coming up the thing Orient's itself 553 00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:15,430 towards him and accelerates to the 554 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:19,120 Southeast's in such a fashion that it's 555 00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:22,120 gone in about five seconds how close do 556 00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:23,800 we think Dave got to it I don't know I 557 00:22:26,790 --> 00:22:25,180 didn't get that information pretty clear 558 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:26,800 i mean you mean as he's trying to round 559 00:22:31,230 --> 00:22:28,510 everyone at half a mile which is super 560 00:22:32,790 --> 00:22:31,240 close in air-to-air like he could see 561 00:22:35,370 --> 00:22:32,800 everything in half a mile so at half a 562 00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:35,380 mile you could also be able to judge the 563 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:37,720 size of it yeah and so that's where the 564 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:39,610 measurement of the tic-tac comes from 565 00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:41,590 Dave said in his assessment it was 566 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:43,960 roughly fighter sized and the Ryan it 567 00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:45,550 was about forty six feet long so he said 568 00:22:48,990 --> 00:22:47,020 it's it was basically the size of my 569 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:49,000 airplane so the radar on the Princeton 570 00:22:53,670 --> 00:22:50,320 would not be able to give you any 571 00:22:57,630 --> 00:22:53,680 indication of size not really no not 572 00:23:01,050 --> 00:22:57,640 that specifically you know a bigger blip 573 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:01,060 like a 747 would have a bigger blip than 574 00:23:06,180 --> 00:23:03,190 a fighter but a lot of that has to do 575 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:06,190 with returns rate of returns you know so 576 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:07,930 a big stealth airplane would have a very 577 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:09,670 small return so in the report are all 578 00:23:15,630 --> 00:23:12,210 four of those pilots interviewed oh yeah 579 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:15,640 and all of them say they saw it with 580 00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:18,670 their own eyes yes yeah and all 581 00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:20,830 described it essentially ticktick ish 582 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:23,500 yeah and roughly the same size yeah so 583 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:25,510 his backseater described it as having 584 00:23:30,210 --> 00:23:28,750 like the exterior was like a like a 585 00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:30,220 white board it looked like a white board 586 00:23:37,230 --> 00:23:34,480 material so I was oblong tic-tac nothing 587 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:37,240 to windows no wings no the cells no 588 00:23:43,950 --> 00:23:41,770 engines and it kind of looked like a 589 00:23:46,590 --> 00:23:43,960 white board basically for whatever 590 00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,600 that's worth okay so there's favor see 591 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:48,400 it again or that was it for favor he 592 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:51,010 never sees it again so they they call 593 00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:53,170 the Princeton and say you know we just 594 00:23:57,390 --> 00:23:54,760 lost that thing whatever was it's gone 595 00:23:59,310 --> 00:23:57,400 can you give us a snap vector which 596 00:24:00,720 --> 00:23:59,320 means like if you if you have it on 597 00:24:02,670 --> 00:24:00,730 radar just point us at it we'll go check 598 00:24:06,690 --> 00:24:02,680 it out again and Princeton says it's 599 00:24:08,820 --> 00:24:06,700 gone sorry so they go they rejoin and 600 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:08,830 and they're gonna go proceed with their 601 00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:10,030 training that they were originally 602 00:24:13,710 --> 00:24:12,700 tasked to do and a few moments later the 603 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:13,720 president comes up and says you're not 604 00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:14,680 gonna believe this 605 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:17,220 it's that your cap which is the 606 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:19,720 latitude/longitude that they were going 607 00:24:24,450 --> 00:24:23,710 to begin their sets so there's a north 608 00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:24,460 cap and a south 609 00:24:27,779 --> 00:24:26,440 cap you know the good guys go to the 610 00:24:30,090 --> 00:24:27,789 north cap because they're defending the 611 00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:30,100 ship and that and the Marine Corps on it 612 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:31,179 would have gone to the south cap because 613 00:24:36,690 --> 00:24:33,369 he's pretending to attack the ship happy 614 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:36,700 short for combat air patrol but you have 615 00:24:40,289 --> 00:24:38,440 a cap point so that's where you would 616 00:24:41,940 --> 00:24:40,299 you know this theoretical latitude 617 00:24:44,399 --> 00:24:41,950 longitude that you would just orbit 618 00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:44,409 around at 25,000 feet waiting for 619 00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:45,460 something to pop up and then you go 620 00:24:51,779 --> 00:24:50,499 attack it and now it's hanging out it's 621 00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:51,789 hanging out or about to do their 622 00:24:57,419 --> 00:24:54,669 exercise essentially exactly so it's 623 00:24:59,820 --> 00:24:57,429 hanging out at their Capet say 20 25 624 00:25:01,649 --> 00:24:59,830 thousand feet they never saw it it left 625 00:25:03,419 --> 00:25:01,659 before they got there and they ran out 626 00:25:04,830 --> 00:25:03,429 of gas they couldn't they couldn't play 627 00:25:09,330 --> 00:25:04,840 around anymore so they go they land on 628 00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:09,340 the ship and they go into CBSE which is 629 00:25:13,619 --> 00:25:12,460 the carrier of intelligence center and a 630 00:25:16,399 --> 00:25:13,629 bunch of the guys are wearing tinfoil 631 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:16,409 hats and you know making fun of them and 632 00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:20,470 you know that gaves a senior guy you 633 00:25:23,310 --> 00:25:21,820 know he's he's the commanding officer 634 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:23,320 the squadron and he sits down with the 635 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,700 intelligence guy any debrief somebody's 636 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:26,080 like this is what if I can happen and 637 00:25:31,619 --> 00:25:29,049 he's he's not gonna mess around he's a 638 00:25:34,169 --> 00:25:31,629 you know he's a very serious guy when he 639 00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:34,179 wants to be that's a true story he had 640 00:25:37,019 --> 00:25:35,529 reported that some people were already 641 00:25:38,820 --> 00:25:37,029 joking around with tinfoil hat so when 642 00:25:41,129 --> 00:25:38,830 he walked in a hundred percent yeah okay 643 00:25:43,739 --> 00:25:41,139 yeah and I've got I'll show you later 644 00:25:45,090 --> 00:25:43,749 when it when it's relevant but every day 645 00:25:48,269 --> 00:25:45,100 there's a schedule that comes out that's 646 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:48,279 called an air plan and it describes you 647 00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:49,570 know what each squatter is gonna be 648 00:25:51,869 --> 00:25:50,830 doing throughout the course of the day 649 00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:51,879 in terms of flying and then each 650 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:52,990 squadron will take the airplane and make 651 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:54,730 their own flight schedule but the air 652 00:26:02,480 --> 00:25:57,730 plan has a very hilarious mocking 653 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:02,490 cartoon of Dave and his in his wingmen 654 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:06,690 so Dave debriefs and they didn't have 655 00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:10,240 any recording devices on their airplane 656 00:26:13,980 --> 00:26:11,950 so they had no FLIR which is not 657 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:13,990 uncommon a lot of a lot of the times if 658 00:26:16,049 --> 00:26:14,950 you're just going out for a fighter 659 00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:16,059 mission you don't put a flare in the 660 00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:19,840 airplane it's it's removable and he 661 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:22,600 didn't turn his recording his tape 662 00:26:27,149 --> 00:26:25,419 recorder on when we go out and do 663 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:27,159 training or if you're going out in real 664 00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:28,690 combat there's a there's a sort of 665 00:26:31,409 --> 00:26:30,100 cadence that you go through you would 666 00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:31,419 say speedy angels laughs be nature's 667 00:26:35,009 --> 00:26:33,070 right check your tapes on fights on and 668 00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:35,019 that's the cadence that you go through 669 00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:36,159 it's kind of like a quarterback saying 670 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:37,580 all right ready 671 00:26:41,410 --> 00:26:39,890 and it reminds everybody that they're in 672 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:41,420 the right place at the right time and 673 00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:42,890 they usually tapes that's audio and 674 00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:46,520 video yet exactly and and radar as well 675 00:26:51,730 --> 00:26:48,260 so the WIZO and the back will have a 676 00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:51,740 camera on his radar screen so just the 677 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:53,300 way this thing worked out it was so 678 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:56,450 bizarre and they never got to the 679 00:27:02,350 --> 00:26:57,890 mindset where they would turn their 680 00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:02,360 tapes on so Dave is frustrated by that 681 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:04,760 and he's going back to his squadrons 682 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:06,110 paraloft which is where all the gear 683 00:27:10,210 --> 00:27:08,750 hangs and the next wave from his 684 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:10,220 squadron is going out and he tells these 685 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:11,870 guys hey listen I don't what the [\h__\h] 686 00:27:19,330 --> 00:27:13,850 that thing was I don't [\h__\h] swear on 687 00:27:21,370 --> 00:27:19,340 this show but but do you guys have a 688 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:21,380 flare on your plane and they did and he 689 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:22,910 said make sure you bring a tape and make 690 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:25,610 sure you turn your tape on and they're 691 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:30,610 said ok and so and by the way the other 692 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:33,350 f-18 didn't have it on either that was 693 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,490 with flavor no no and that's not I mean 694 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:41,600 it to a certain degree you just can't 695 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:43,250 take my word that they were caught by 696 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:45,410 something unawares and it was it kicked 697 00:27:49,690 --> 00:27:48,650 them out of their normal routine well I 698 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:49,700 guess what you're saying is you would 699 00:27:52,150 --> 00:27:50,810 you would make sure you turn that on 700 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:52,160 when you're about to start your 701 00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:54,110 exercises right they really hadn't 702 00:27:58,030 --> 00:27:56,390 started their exercises yet right yeah 703 00:28:01,150 --> 00:27:58,040 they they just thought they were doing a 704 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:01,160 favor for the Princeton so anyway the 705 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:03,110 next wave goes out and there's only two 706 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:05,420 super hornets in this one so they're 707 00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:08,330 gonna split up and one will go to the 708 00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:09,980 cap and one goes to the southern cap to 709 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:11,390 play the bad guy and then they'll swap 710 00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:13,160 roles so they're not there's only two of 711 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:15,350 them in this airplane and they are 712 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:17,570 proceeding towards the cap the same cap 713 00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:19,690 that Dave and his wingman we're going to 714 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:25,040 and as they're on autopilot just heading 715 00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:30,290 to this spot in space the wizzo in range 716 00:28:36,660 --> 00:28:32,840 well scan picks up a very faint contact 717 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:36,670 and he's trying to lock it so that I 718 00:28:41,050 --> 00:28:38,810 don't know if you're how familiar you 719 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:41,060 are with the way radars work but it's 720 00:28:45,550 --> 00:28:43,250 essentially like a flashlight okay so 721 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:45,560 say this room is completely dark and I 722 00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:47,090 turned my flashlight on and I just sweep 723 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:49,190 it back and forth at a certain rate and 724 00:28:53,019 --> 00:28:50,870 every time it 725 00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:53,029 passes Michel I say there's Michael but 726 00:28:55,989 --> 00:28:54,590 I can only kind of get a glimpse of him 727 00:28:58,869 --> 00:28:55,999 I know he's there but I don't have a ton 728 00:29:01,720 --> 00:28:58,879 of data and if I want to get serious 729 00:29:03,159 --> 00:29:01,730 about Michael as a threat I just point 730 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:03,169 my flashlight at him and hold it there 731 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:05,809 and now I've got the whole picture but I 732 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:07,730 lose everything else right I don't see 733 00:29:11,889 --> 00:29:09,529 what else is in the room so there's 734 00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:11,899 positives and negatives to raise well 735 00:29:17,259 --> 00:29:14,720 scan which is big picture but small 736 00:29:18,899 --> 00:29:17,269 amount of specific data versus what's 737 00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:18,909 called single target track which is 738 00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:21,200 narrow picture but a lot of very 739 00:29:26,889 --> 00:29:24,590 detailed data of the target so the widow 740 00:29:28,690 --> 00:29:26,899 is trying to lock this thing up and it's 741 00:29:30,970 --> 00:29:28,700 he's unable to lock it up in track 742 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:30,980 Wolski a single target track can't get a 743 00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:33,769 track file on it so as they get closer 744 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:35,409 maybe 30 miles away 745 00:29:40,239 --> 00:29:39,289 he slaves the FLIR and the FLIR you know 746 00:29:43,419 --> 00:29:40,249 you've got all these different devices 747 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:43,429 and they all can slave to each other he 748 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:45,110 takes the FLIR head seeker head and he 749 00:29:48,460 --> 00:29:46,970 slaves it to the faint rate of return 750 00:29:49,989 --> 00:29:48,470 which is right on his nose because 751 00:29:52,450 --> 00:29:49,999 they're heading for the the cap and 752 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:52,460 that's where the thing is and that's the 753 00:29:59,470 --> 00:29:56,570 video that you see so he's 30 20 30 to 754 00:30:01,779 --> 00:29:59,480 maybe 15 miles away as he's progressing 755 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:01,789 towards it and he's playing around with 756 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:03,289 the flare there's two different I mean 757 00:30:08,109 --> 00:30:05,330 the flare also is a laser but it doesn't 758 00:30:11,379 --> 00:30:08,119 really it's not useful in this and FLIR 759 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:11,389 is radar no flare is optical and 760 00:30:17,769 --> 00:30:13,730 infrared okay forward-looking infrared 761 00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:17,779 is it's an acronym and he slaves the 762 00:30:20,769 --> 00:30:19,220 FLIR towards this thing and he's 763 00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:20,779 switching back and forth and if you look 764 00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:22,100 at the video you could see it go from 765 00:30:27,129 --> 00:30:24,590 you know white contrast to dark contrast 766 00:30:29,049 --> 00:30:27,139 and one of those is infrared and the 767 00:30:30,669 --> 00:30:29,059 other is just a optical camera it's a 768 00:30:32,259 --> 00:30:30,679 black-and-white camera but it's beyond 769 00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:32,269 the range that it's supposed to be used 770 00:30:35,950 --> 00:30:34,369 as day or night at the time those days 3 771 00:30:37,779 --> 00:30:35,960 o'clock in the afternoon maybe 3:30 by 772 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:37,789 the time they get out there beautiful 773 00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:39,369 Southern California sunny day 774 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:42,169 now the FLIR what it's designed to do is 775 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:46,970 provide ranging and targeting for a bomb 776 00:30:52,779 --> 00:30:49,970 on the ground so two three four miles 777 00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:52,789 away that's it so you put the crosshairs 778 00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:55,460 on a tank and your laser-guided bomb 779 00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:58,960 will hit that tank it's not designed for 780 00:31:03,299 --> 00:31:01,360 aerial intercepts it's not designed to 781 00:31:05,639 --> 00:31:03,309 lock onto a man ooh 782 00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:05,649 ringg target that's moving at any speed 783 00:31:14,970 --> 00:31:10,360 faster than you know a tank would that's 784 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:14,980 not the function of a FLIR so he's 785 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:16,690 locked on to this thing it as it's 786 00:31:21,810 --> 00:31:20,049 hanging stationary and the only the only 787 00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:21,820 movement is provided by that Hornet 788 00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:23,580 traveling towards it 789 00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:25,929 the tic-tac was stationary yep just 790 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:30,820 hanging and when they get I don't know 791 00:31:35,159 --> 00:31:33,490 15 ish miles away which is again pretty 792 00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:35,169 damn far for what the FLIR is supposed 793 00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:38,169 to be doing it exits the frame to the 794 00:31:43,139 --> 00:31:40,990 left so quickly that in normal speed it 795 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:43,149 looks like it disappears but if you go 796 00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:45,610 frame by frame you can see a little bit 797 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:47,559 of it in the next frame and then it's 798 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:50,110 gone and then they never saw it again so 799 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:52,570 it's a minute and a half that's the 800 00:31:57,109 --> 00:31:54,730 entirety of the video there's no other 801 00:31:59,519 --> 00:31:57,119 video out there there's no video of 802 00:32:02,489 --> 00:31:59,529 manoeuvring tic tacs there's no video of 803 00:32:04,499 --> 00:32:02,499 the f-18s trying to get into contact 804 00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,509 there's multiple sections of video 805 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:06,399 because certainly the the audio clips 806 00:32:11,310 --> 00:32:09,070 that you hear oh my gosh man do did you 807 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:11,320 see that that's it that's on the East 808 00:32:15,810 --> 00:32:12,850 Coast that's okay 809 00:32:18,810 --> 00:32:15,820 that's the 2015 I think episode on the 810 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:18,820 Roosevelt I don't have any other than 811 00:32:21,539 --> 00:32:20,350 what you know you see in the internet or 812 00:32:24,779 --> 00:32:21,549 on the news I don't have any information 813 00:32:26,369 --> 00:32:24,789 on that okay so those are to clarify 814 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:26,379 it's good to be verified so as far as 815 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:29,080 the videos that pertain to the 2004 816 00:32:34,830 --> 00:32:32,230 nimitz incident all you really have is 817 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:34,840 video of it sitting there and then then 818 00:32:39,749 --> 00:32:38,350 taking off yeah so like I said I always 819 00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:39,759 showed the video at the end of telling 820 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:40,840 the story because it doesn't make any 821 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:42,490 sense if you don't know that the 822 00:32:46,499 --> 00:32:44,529 information leading up to it and and the 823 00:32:48,869 --> 00:32:46,509 reason why it's going from white to 824 00:32:50,999 --> 00:32:48,879 black and white to black when he's in 825 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,009 the infrared mode you should be able to 826 00:32:56,489 --> 00:32:54,399 see roiling gases right some whether 827 00:32:59,480 --> 00:32:56,499 it's a helicopter or a Harrier or 828 00:33:03,600 --> 00:32:59,490 something with a jet or some form of 829 00:33:06,029 --> 00:33:03,610 normal propulsion you would see gases 830 00:33:09,539 --> 00:33:06,039 coming underneath but you don't get any 831 00:33:10,889 --> 00:33:09,549 of that and in the contrast mode it's 832 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:10,899 just a camera so you don't you you 833 00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:12,710 wouldn't see anything there anyway 834 00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,230 but there's data boxes on the bottom 835 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:20,720 right and left that show closure they 836 00:33:25,779 --> 00:33:22,970 show his attempt to lock it up there's 837 00:33:28,450 --> 00:33:25,789 you should you should get a V sub C 838 00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:28,460 which is a the velocity of closure on 839 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:29,960 that but it's just a bunch of nines 840 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:32,210 which means it's not getting any closure 841 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:34,730 data from the radar at all so there's 842 00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:36,049 there's a bunch of little technical 843 00:33:41,049 --> 00:33:39,860 stuff on that that is pertinent but 844 00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:41,059 you're you're saying it's about 90 845 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:43,190 seconds I think it's about 90 seconds 846 00:33:45,609 --> 00:33:44,690 haven't timed it but it's it's not ten 847 00:33:48,730 --> 00:33:45,619 minutes that's for sure 848 00:33:50,889 --> 00:33:48,740 yeah but the majority of it is just it's 849 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:50,899 sitting there yeah then it leaves the 850 00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:52,129 screen and that's it that's the video 851 00:33:56,649 --> 00:33:54,830 that's it it's an unremarkable of it 852 00:33:59,109 --> 00:33:56,659 it's an unremarkable video without the 853 00:34:01,600 --> 00:33:59,119 story yeah then okay so the East Coast 854 00:34:03,609 --> 00:34:01,610 video which is what most of us at least 855 00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:03,619 I know what I've had in mind 856 00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:05,929 so I don't want to complete the tube but 857 00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:08,540 yeah I mean pretty incredible that 858 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:12,260 something so similar happened ten years 859 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:14,690 later yeah yeah I mean just I know you 860 00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:16,940 you haven't really necessarily boned up 861 00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:17,960 on what happened in the East Coast but 862 00:34:20,859 --> 00:34:19,399 from what you know about it I mean I 863 00:34:24,579 --> 00:34:20,869 don't have any sad information on that 864 00:34:27,309 --> 00:34:24,589 one it it actually it sounds fairly it's 865 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:27,319 fairly dramatically different there's a 866 00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:28,970 lot more contacts from what I understand 867 00:34:31,659 --> 00:34:30,260 just from reading again and again I 868 00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,669 don't I never talked to any of those 869 00:34:34,899 --> 00:34:32,960 pilots I don't know anybody that was 870 00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:34,909 involved in that at all but just you 871 00:34:40,419 --> 00:34:38,629 know from my own you know my own 872 00:34:41,799 --> 00:34:40,429 experience just looking at that it looks 873 00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:41,809 a lot different that there's as far as 874 00:34:44,649 --> 00:34:43,399 you know is there a classified report 875 00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:44,659 like that one pertaining to the East 876 00:34:49,930 --> 00:34:47,109 Coast I've cited that I don't know I 877 00:34:54,129 --> 00:34:49,940 don't know I mean I wonder why the the 878 00:34:56,049 --> 00:34:54,139 Nimitz is getting seems to get more 879 00:34:57,609 --> 00:34:56,059 attention than the the East Coast 880 00:34:58,809 --> 00:34:57,619 incident which which remind was the name 881 00:35:03,069 --> 00:34:58,819 of the ship that they I think was 882 00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:03,079 Roosevelt Roosevelt yeah they call 883 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:04,520 gimble there's one of them's gimble and 884 00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:06,410 the other ones go fast yeah so the go 885 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:08,180 fast one you know to me it could be 886 00:35:12,099 --> 00:35:10,130 anything it could be a cruise missile 887 00:35:13,390 --> 00:35:12,109 that they finally lock up I have no idea 888 00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:13,400 I don't know what the claims are on that 889 00:35:18,339 --> 00:35:16,700 the gimble one that's insane I mean if 890 00:35:19,660 --> 00:35:18,349 it's if it's accurate if it's real if 891 00:35:24,450 --> 00:35:19,670 it's not you know some sort of a 892 00:35:26,609 --> 00:35:24,460 fabrication that's a remarkable video 893 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:26,619 but but sorry tell me 894 00:35:30,900 --> 00:35:29,170 how in your view it's so it's called the 895 00:35:33,029 --> 00:35:30,910 gimbal yeah Kimble is so different than 896 00:35:36,329 --> 00:35:33,039 the tic-tac 897 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:36,339 so I watched one of the pilots that was 898 00:35:41,029 --> 00:35:38,049 involved in that incident talking about 899 00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:41,039 it with Dave and I I think Lou Elizondo 900 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:44,529 and you know what he was describing was 901 00:35:50,309 --> 00:35:48,190 multiple things in formation one of them 902 00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:50,319 was different than the others it's the 903 00:35:55,259 --> 00:35:51,910 gimbal one that you see sort of rotating 904 00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:55,269 around that there were multiple 905 00:35:59,849 --> 00:35:57,700 instances where the aircrew were going 906 00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:59,859 out there they're almost used to saying 907 00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:01,119 it to a certain degree at least 908 00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,660 according to this this video so it's 909 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:05,920 dramatically I think different than what 910 00:36:10,259 --> 00:36:08,170 happened on the Nimitz I think to answer 911 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:10,269 your question the thing that makes the 912 00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:14,650 nimitz incident so unique is that dave 913 00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:18,400 is the only pilot that we know of to 914 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:20,589 have ever sort of gotten engaged with 915 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:21,569 one of these things 916 00:36:25,499 --> 00:36:23,650 no one's ever really maneuvered with 917 00:36:27,569 --> 00:36:25,509 them before they've just observed them 918 00:36:30,509 --> 00:36:27,579 in other words the ones on the East 919 00:36:33,509 --> 00:36:30,519 Coast yes we've got interesting video 920 00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,519 but we don't have in-person sightings 921 00:36:38,219 --> 00:36:35,200 the the pilots they are doing I think I 922 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:38,229 saw them I think listening to that but 923 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:39,999 they didn't they didn't get involved in 924 00:36:43,709 --> 00:36:41,650 them with them they didn't try to you 925 00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:43,719 know dogfight them for lack of a better 926 00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:50,529 term and on the Princeton you know 927 00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:52,660 you've got people independent people on 928 00:36:58,109 --> 00:36:54,700 the Princeton that are validating these 929 00:36:59,940 --> 00:36:58,119 radar tracks that they saw you know the 930 00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,950 e2 that was involved in the nimitz 931 00:37:03,749 --> 00:37:01,839 incident those guys heard everything you 932 00:37:06,299 --> 00:37:03,759 know it's just there's multiple sources 933 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:06,309 multiple data points that correlate to 934 00:37:09,209 --> 00:37:07,690 this incident happening the way 935 00:37:13,529 --> 00:37:09,219 everybody said it happens so the story 936 00:37:16,589 --> 00:37:13,539 is consistent across the board and you 937 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:16,599 know again I have no no inside 938 00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:17,890 information on what happened on the East 939 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:20,680 Coast but but as far as the object that 940 00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:23,170 was observed by favor and the others 941 00:37:30,509 --> 00:37:26,440 that seems very similar to what was 942 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:30,519 observed on the East Coast you know 943 00:37:34,499 --> 00:37:32,170 again all I know about the East Coast is 944 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:34,509 what I heard on that TV show and it's 945 00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:35,650 sound it sounds like they're different 946 00:37:39,339 --> 00:37:38,529 to me they were described in a different 947 00:37:41,469 --> 00:37:39,349 way 948 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:41,479 certainly the the bigger one the one 949 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:44,690 that gimbals around it looks rasa cailli 950 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:46,249 different than what Dave saw and David 951 00:37:51,370 --> 00:37:49,249 and the others but maneuverability 952 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:51,380 similar sure yeah 953 00:37:57,039 --> 00:37:55,729 and what about the ability to what was 954 00:37:58,479 --> 00:37:57,049 there sightings on the East Coast as far 955 00:38:01,209 --> 00:37:58,489 as it being hovering above the water 956 00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:01,219 we're going under the water I don't 957 00:38:05,979 --> 00:38:02,390 think I think the were all up at 958 00:38:07,509 --> 00:38:05,989 altitude it did hover you know stayed 959 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:07,519 stationary however you want to describe 960 00:38:13,959 --> 00:38:13,249 that I don't know the specifics on that 961 00:38:18,670 --> 00:38:13,969 sorry man 962 00:38:20,019 --> 00:38:18,680 so you made a big point that you favor 963 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,029 thought it was odd the other guys 964 00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,680 thought it was odd that they were asked 965 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:23,359 do you guys have weapons 966 00:38:30,219 --> 00:38:26,089 yeah board because obviously they don't 967 00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:30,229 rather not in combat right so what did 968 00:38:34,449 --> 00:38:32,209 let's start with flavor if he shared 969 00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:34,459 with you what what did he make of that 970 00:38:38,650 --> 00:38:37,160 question well they all thought it was 971 00:38:42,670 --> 00:38:38,660 weird I mean it's just a weird question 972 00:38:44,799 --> 00:38:42,680 to be asked you know I think he thought 973 00:38:45,729 --> 00:38:44,809 maybe it was potentially drug runners or 974 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:45,739 something like that they had they 975 00:38:49,779 --> 00:38:47,930 literally had no idea why the Princeton 976 00:38:50,979 --> 00:38:49,789 was sending him to this spot they said 977 00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,989 we just go check something out 978 00:38:54,579 --> 00:38:52,880 essentially I don't know was the exact 979 00:38:57,309 --> 00:38:54,589 lingo was but it wasn't hey we've been 980 00:38:58,809 --> 00:38:57,319 seeing UFOs can you go look at him for 981 00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,819 us I mean I guess the question is were 982 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:00,079 they asking the question in hopes that 983 00:39:05,380 --> 00:39:01,849 the answer was yes or in the hopes that 984 00:39:07,329 --> 00:39:05,390 the answer was no yeah because they 985 00:39:08,979 --> 00:39:07,339 begin with it's a weird question because 986 00:39:10,569 --> 00:39:08,989 of course we don't so what why you 987 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:10,579 asking me such a dumb question right 988 00:39:14,890 --> 00:39:13,130 well but the people that work on the 989 00:39:17,140 --> 00:39:14,900 Princeton don't necessarily know what 990 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:17,150 the fighter planes are doing they have 991 00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:20,150 no there it's not in their world that's 992 00:39:24,729 --> 00:39:22,190 not the purview their purview is the 993 00:39:29,019 --> 00:39:24,739 radar who whose decision would you say 994 00:39:31,329 --> 00:39:29,029 it was to send them out to inspect this 995 00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:31,339 how high up in the command would that 996 00:39:36,459 --> 00:39:34,369 have come from there's a tactical action 997 00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:36,469 officer that works on the Princeton he's 998 00:39:42,729 --> 00:39:40,640 sort of the quarterback of that combat 999 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:42,739 Information Center they could have just 1000 00:39:45,279 --> 00:39:43,849 asked him I mean it could've been if 1001 00:39:47,049 --> 00:39:45,289 something as casual like hey should we 1002 00:39:48,279 --> 00:39:47,059 just check these out we got a couple 1003 00:39:50,049 --> 00:39:48,289 planes why don't we send him out there 1004 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:50,059 to check it out right and it's on the 1005 00:39:52,420 --> 00:39:51,650 way so it's no big deal you know what I 1006 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:52,430 mean it's 1007 00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:53,810 it could have been as casual as that ID 1008 00:39:57,850 --> 00:39:55,760 but let's talk about the weapons thing 1009 00:40:01,240 --> 00:39:57,860 and whether or not the US Navy would 1010 00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:01,250 send its f-18 planes out and pilots 1011 00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:03,830 should go check out some aerial 1012 00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:06,260 phenomena that we don't know what it is 1013 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:08,990 or what it may be and we're sending them 1014 00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:12,920 out unarmed sure yeah so I think you're 1015 00:40:17,110 --> 00:40:15,470 making like it's not the US Navy sending 1016 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:17,120 them out it's some guy at a radar 1017 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:18,770 console who's like I've been seeing 1018 00:40:21,490 --> 00:40:20,570 something weird why don't we go have 1019 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:21,500 somebody go check it out with our 1020 00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:23,770 eyeballs it's potentially dangerous 1021 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:27,380 dangerous I mean that that's what you 1022 00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:29,090 know you're in the military the danger 1023 00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:32,120 is part of what you do right and we do 1024 00:40:35,740 --> 00:40:33,620 that weapons if you're heading into a 1025 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:35,750 dangerous situation but they didn't know 1026 00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:37,490 they didn't know it was curious it was a 1027 00:40:45,220 --> 00:40:43,790 curiosity in my estimation and they just 1028 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:45,230 said hey look let's let's send these 1029 00:40:48,850 --> 00:40:46,810 guys out let's go check it out and 1030 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:48,860 somebody probably said from the back of 1031 00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:49,850 the room hey wonder if they have any 1032 00:40:52,780 --> 00:40:51,500 weapons on board just in case cuz they 1033 00:40:54,850 --> 00:40:52,790 probably had gotten a little bit spooked 1034 00:40:58,990 --> 00:40:54,860 but they didn't share anything like that 1035 00:41:01,300 --> 00:40:59,000 with the pilots and so somebody hit a 1036 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:01,310 radio button and said hey it changed you 1037 00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:03,710 guys got weapons on but bottom line we 1038 00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:07,940 don't know who made the decision to 1039 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:10,100 direct them to go out there and check it 1040 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:11,330 out it could have come from the highest 1041 00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,650 level it could have come down and come 1042 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:14,240 from a relatively low level we really 1043 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:16,250 don't know right well I mean I think 1044 00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:19,490 what you're insinuating is two radically 1045 00:41:30,130 --> 00:41:23,120 different scenarios that converge at the 1046 00:41:32,140 --> 00:41:30,140 same place but it's it sounds like what 1047 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:32,150 you're asking is whether or not this was 1048 00:41:37,420 --> 00:41:35,330 a way to have the Navy guys go out and 1049 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:37,430 check out some sort of tech that was 1050 00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,170 developed and they're gonna go check it 1051 00:41:41,470 --> 00:41:40,400 out and they wanted to make sure that 1052 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,480 they didn't have any onboard so they 1053 00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:44,240 nobody would get hurt yeah then let's 1054 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:46,670 yeah I mean that's the sort of where I'm 1055 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:49,730 now kind with the turbo the turbo story 1056 00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:52,520 become you know as you sit here today 1057 00:41:57,550 --> 00:41:55,310 you're saying that you do believe that 1058 00:41:59,470 --> 00:41:57,560 flavor did in fact encounter something 1059 00:42:02,200 --> 00:41:59,480 well I mean flavor and the other three 1060 00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:02,210 and yeah and the Princeton and the u2 so 1061 00:42:05,509 --> 00:42:04,910 you know now it turns to part of the 1062 00:42:07,939 --> 00:42:05,519 story which 1063 00:42:09,499 --> 00:42:07,949 is okay what the heck was was it that 1064 00:42:11,509 --> 00:42:09,509 they saw yeah I don't know that's what 1065 00:42:13,130 --> 00:42:11,519 we've been trying to investigate and it 1066 00:42:16,279 --> 00:42:13,140 all started with this mic turbo 1067 00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:16,289 interview that sure I did where he says 1068 00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:19,140 that it's us technology and it seems to 1069 00:42:24,019 --> 00:42:22,140 me that there's only two choices for 1070 00:42:26,529 --> 00:42:24,029 what this thing is broadly speaking it's 1071 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:26,539 either earthly or its extraterrestrial 1072 00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,569 school so now actually I had a guest on 1073 00:42:35,469 --> 00:42:33,599 Nick cook if you have you heard of Nick 1074 00:42:38,899 --> 00:42:35,479 cook you heard the name I don't know who 1075 00:42:44,649 --> 00:42:38,909 he was the aviation editor for Jane's 1076 00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:44,659 Defence weekly and the big shot in the 1077 00:42:49,819 --> 00:42:46,859 area he came up with a third explanation 1078 00:42:53,149 --> 00:42:49,829 was like one type of you know altered 1079 00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:53,159 reality altered consciousness type of 1080 00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,079 technology anyway okay so I'm saying 1081 00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:56,640 okay well there's a third option but 1082 00:43:00,139 --> 00:42:58,249 let's put that one aside for a second 1083 00:43:02,059 --> 00:43:00,149 specialize that would be a good one in 1084 00:43:03,499 --> 00:43:02,069 the bar he just wrote a book about that 1085 00:43:05,059 --> 00:43:03,509 so I think that was part of the reason 1086 00:43:06,919 --> 00:43:05,069 why you he was bringing that up okay 1087 00:43:08,449 --> 00:43:06,929 let's stick with the two that you you 1088 00:43:10,459 --> 00:43:08,459 seem you seem to be comfortable the idea 1089 00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:10,469 that's either earth or extraterrestrial 1090 00:43:18,769 --> 00:43:14,339 yeah but but it is one or the other so 1091 00:43:19,909 --> 00:43:18,779 it would be unbelievably it would be 1092 00:43:22,249 --> 00:43:19,919 unbelievable that it was 1093 00:43:25,449 --> 00:43:22,259 extraterrestrial because we've never had 1094 00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,459 confirmed extraterrestrial craft 1095 00:43:30,889 --> 00:43:28,319 exciting sure and it would be really 1096 00:43:31,999 --> 00:43:30,899 incredible if it was earthly technology 1097 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:32,009 because we certainly don't think that we 1098 00:43:36,469 --> 00:43:33,569 have this earthly technology so either 1099 00:43:39,499 --> 00:43:36,479 way the answer is an incredible answer 1100 00:43:42,139 --> 00:43:39,509 sure so you know when people you know 1101 00:43:44,899 --> 00:43:42,149 are critical of turbo and what he claims 1102 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:44,909 is like guys it's one or the other those 1103 00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:47,849 are incredible which one gives you it 1104 00:43:52,819 --> 00:43:49,319 seems to have a credible explanation 1105 00:43:55,029 --> 00:43:52,829 behind it and he is there's there's a 1106 00:43:58,789 --> 00:43:55,039 lot of credibility behind it in my view 1107 00:44:01,039 --> 00:43:58,799 and we're gonna dig into that part of it 1108 00:44:02,929 --> 00:44:01,049 is these Navy patents that I've reviewed 1109 00:44:04,339 --> 00:44:02,939 I don't know if you've familiar with 1110 00:44:05,689 --> 00:44:04,349 these Navy patents I heard them when I 1111 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:05,699 listened a little bit of that Turner 1112 00:44:09,529 --> 00:44:07,529 interview and I so so technology is 1113 00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:09,539 described in these patents they've 1114 00:44:13,729 --> 00:44:11,159 certainly been investigating this type 1115 00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:13,739 of technology turn a long time and so 1116 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:16,049 now bringing it to back to the weapons 1117 00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,250 and so on now that theory being 1118 00:44:27,319 --> 00:44:22,200 and you could confirm or deny that this 1119 00:44:29,269 --> 00:44:27,329 is a good theory that a the reason the 1120 00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:29,279 air force which supposedly according to 1121 00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:31,140 turbo these were air force crafts now 1122 00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,260 was comfortable testing them in that 1123 00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:37,200 area is they know that the Navy does the 1124 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:38,819 second exercises unarmed so we're not 1125 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:40,010 gonna have one of our tic tacs 1126 00:44:44,779 --> 00:44:42,210 accidentally shot down sure and 1127 00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:44,789 furthermore the reason that the Navy was 1128 00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:47,579 comfortable sending these pilots out to 1129 00:44:50,359 --> 00:44:48,990 what could otherwise be seen as a 1130 00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:50,369 dangerous situation is the fact that 1131 00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:52,380 they knew what it was they knew it was 1132 00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:54,420 us yeah so we're sending them out there 1133 00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:57,390 unarmed and why somebody confirmed 1134 00:45:00,380 --> 00:44:59,220 they're unarmed well just again to make 1135 00:45:05,059 --> 00:45:00,390 sure that we're not shooting down our 1136 00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:05,069 own craft up there sure yeah I don't 1137 00:45:11,269 --> 00:45:09,000 know I there's a lot of things that sort 1138 00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:11,279 of poke holes in the credulity of that 1139 00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:13,859 scenario now I think it's important to 1140 00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:15,000 say that I don't I'm not necessarily 1141 00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:20,160 discounting that it's human tech I just 1142 00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:22,619 think that the the scenario of it being 1143 00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:25,319 a test of human Tech is it doesn't make 1144 00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,140 any sense well that's good because I 1145 00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:30,480 mean you know we need to again I think 1146 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:31,440 you and I are in the same page it's 1147 00:45:36,620 --> 00:45:34,049 either earthly or sex or Astro I lean 1148 00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:36,630 toward earthly irrespective of the turbo 1149 00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:39,420 story but to to analyze some of the 1150 00:45:44,420 --> 00:45:42,390 details of what turbo said right and to 1151 00:45:46,579 --> 00:45:44,430 poke holes in those things will then 1152 00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:46,589 help us determine you know whether the 1153 00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:47,910 bigger things that turbo says may be 1154 00:45:51,049 --> 00:45:49,619 true so for instance it sounds like 1155 00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:51,059 you're saying this doesn't make sense to 1156 00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,700 you what that the US Air Force would 1157 00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:56,400 test these things out over yeah that's 1158 00:46:03,289 --> 00:45:59,700 not the technical hosting is done but so 1159 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:03,299 I mean my my first point of reference is 1160 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,089 this report again this seems to be like 1161 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:09,359 a really genuine first blush look at 1162 00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:12,930 this by some governmental agency that 1163 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:16,950 has access to everything right and very 1164 00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:20,010 very clearly in this investigation as 1165 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:21,990 part of their findings is that a there 1166 00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,410 were no tapes taken from the e to the e 1167 00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:27,839 to didn't have tapes onboard so there 1168 00:46:32,020 --> 00:46:30,119 are no tapes from that that the the 1169 00:46:39,850 --> 00:46:32,030 video 1170 00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:39,860 information was sent up the information 1171 00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,000 chain to the highest levels third fleet 1172 00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:46,640 and that nobody gave a [\h__\h] nobody knew 1173 00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:51,260 it was so far out of sort of the world 1174 00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:52,910 of reality that all these people these 1175 00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:55,160 very very busy people that are getting 1176 00:47:00,370 --> 00:46:57,800 you know tens of thousands of sailors 1177 00:47:02,830 --> 00:47:00,380 worked up to go on deployment somebody 1178 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:02,840 said we saw a UFO here's a little video 1179 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:05,810 what the [\h__\h] is this this means nothing 1180 00:47:11,170 --> 00:47:07,610 to me I've got I've got all kinds of 1181 00:47:15,220 --> 00:47:11,180 stuff on my in my inbox and this went up 1182 00:47:16,330 --> 00:47:15,230 in in this investigation talked to the 1183 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:16,340 commander of the Strike Group the 1184 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:19,250 Admiral it was still in the Navy when 1185 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:20,530 the investigation took place 1186 00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:22,610 whatever eleven years later he's still 1187 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:23,630 what's his name 1188 00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:25,310 I'm not gonna say I don't know if it's 1189 00:47:30,250 --> 00:47:27,830 out there not but you know you can do 1190 00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:30,260 your own homework on that one Admiral of 1191 00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:31,430 the Strike Group which is yeah the 1192 00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:33,020 highest of the high when it comes to the 1193 00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:35,420 boss yep and he's being asked by a 1194 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:37,880 governmental agency that's clearly been 1195 00:47:43,150 --> 00:47:40,610 tasked to look into this and he said 1196 00:47:44,770 --> 00:47:43,160 look I don't know I was briefed on it my 1197 00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:44,780 intelligence officer briefed me on it it 1198 00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:46,220 is of concern to the strike group 1199 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:49,180 because this thing could not be tracked 1200 00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:52,880 if you meant ill-will towards us it we 1201 00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,980 had nothing that could stop it but other 1202 00:48:00,850 --> 00:47:56,960 than that I got nothing for you 1203 00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:00,860 and I really care and that sentiment 1204 00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:02,750 went all the way down so you know 1205 00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:03,740 there's the command of the strike group 1206 00:48:06,370 --> 00:48:05,060 I already described to you that there's 1207 00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:06,380 the captain of the ship and the captain 1208 00:48:10,450 --> 00:48:07,820 in the air wing commander the arrowing 1209 00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:10,460 and then there's the squadron CEO so 1210 00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:11,720 there's basically three levels there 1211 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:14,660 with some other administrative and and 1212 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:16,370 Chiefs of Staff and stuff like that but 1213 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:19,610 these are the three department or office 1214 00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:23,090 heads and framer is number three if 1215 00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,470 there was anything going on he would 1216 00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:26,240 have known about it it would be 1217 00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:28,280 irresponsible to send somebody into a 1218 00:48:32,770 --> 00:48:31,670 test of that magnitude without letting 1219 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:32,780 people know that they were somehow 1220 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:36,170 involved in a test of that magnitude if 1221 00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:38,510 something happened and somebody freaked 1222 00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:40,580 out and crashed you know 1223 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:43,220 heads would roll people would and it's 1224 00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:45,690 not beyond the realm of 1225 00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,800 of you know conceiving that somebody 1226 00:48:53,330 --> 00:48:51,630 would see a UFO coming at them and just 1227 00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:53,340 freak out and accidentally hit you know 1228 00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,260 their lead or something like that or do 1229 00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:57,780 something out of the ordinary so that's 1230 00:49:01,850 --> 00:49:00,030 not the way we test weapons that's never 1231 00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,860 has been it's not the way we test weapon 1232 00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,420 systems it's not the way we challenge 1233 00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:06,060 each other as as forces you know the Air 1234 00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,150 Force doesn't send secret projects to 1235 00:49:12,110 --> 00:49:10,800 test the Navy the Navy doesn't do that 1236 00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,120 to the Air Force that's not the way 1237 00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:14,160 things work to be clear I think what 1238 00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:16,140 turbo would say is at the highest levels 1239 00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:19,380 including probably the Admiral and not 1240 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:20,790 that he would necessarily tell this guy 1241 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:22,530 he was doing an investigation but but 1242 00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:25,410 anyway at the highest levels Air Force 1243 00:49:29,210 --> 00:49:27,510 and Navy were in communication with each 1244 00:49:30,860 --> 00:49:29,220 other as what was going on yeahjust 1245 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:30,870 we're not gonna share it with the 1246 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:34,370 squadron commander I mean I don't I 1247 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:37,890 don't believe that to be true it defies 1248 00:49:42,530 --> 00:49:40,890 all logic it defies every ounce of 1249 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:42,540 experience that I've had in 20 years of 1250 00:49:47,090 --> 00:49:44,130 the military you know I've got friends 1251 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:47,100 that are Admirals now and that's just 1252 00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,060 you know if tomorrow somehow the the 1253 00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:54,900 veil lifted and they all said haha 1254 00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:56,310 we've played a trick on you and what 1255 00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:58,140 well of course clear well I mean what a 1256 00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,510 mark what part is the part that is not 1257 00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:01,920 the way we do business because obviously 1258 00:50:04,850 --> 00:50:03,240 there's a lot of things that the 1259 00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:04,860 higher-ups know that the guys down here 1260 00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:07,470 don't know classified stuff all the time 1261 00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,040 so sure so that's so when when the where 1262 00:50:16,190 --> 00:50:12,960 the rubber meets the road is where the 1263 00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,200 the aviators are doing their work okay 1264 00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:19,260 so when you're an admiral you delegate 1265 00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:21,270 authority okay you delegate 1266 00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:22,830 responsibilities you delegate you the 1267 00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:24,780 animals not controlling the pieces on a 1268 00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:27,420 board you know if there was some sort of 1269 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:32,400 a test to take place I I don't know why 1270 00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:33,690 you would do a test like that to in the 1271 00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:35,460 first place I mean if you're building 1272 00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,900 something like this it's clearly gonna 1273 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:38,520 be the most expensive weapons system 1274 00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:41,130 ever made right it'll make the f-35 look 1275 00:50:48,530 --> 00:50:46,200 like child's play in terms of cost then 1276 00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:48,540 you're gonna have a very regimented 1277 00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:51,660 testing and development schedule you're 1278 00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:55,380 gonna put all kinds of efforts it what 1279 00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:56,910 you're talking about is basically kids 1280 00:51:02,390 --> 00:50:59,490 playing hide and seek and that's not how 1281 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:02,400 you but I mean expensive weapon systems 1282 00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:04,260 when we talk about testing so yeah I 1283 00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:06,720 think again tur-bros not here so I'll 1284 00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:09,060 speak for I guess well yeah 1285 00:51:12,859 --> 00:51:10,380 let me just interrupt you with this last 1286 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:12,869 thing it's like none of the technology 1287 00:51:17,690 --> 00:51:14,930 that was in that Carrier Strike Group is 1288 00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:17,700 secret to the United States if you were 1289 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:19,020 building the most expensive weapons 1290 00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,490 system ever built you would take the 1291 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:22,980 spy-1 radar build another one put it in 1292 00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,490 some freaking Nevada desert and fly your 1293 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:28,380 little tic-tac at it in a hundred 1294 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:31,130 thousand different ways at night and 1295 00:51:36,130 --> 00:51:34,050 then come up with your own analysis and 1296 00:51:39,590 --> 00:51:36,140 if you needed an f-18 radar you would 1297 00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:39,600 take an f-18 radar and put it on a truck 1298 00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:43,740 and have some super stealthy secret 1299 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:45,300 squirrel guy in the back seat do 1300 00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:46,410 whatever you want it to do it just 1301 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:48,390 doesn't make any sense to run a program 1302 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:49,650 that way yeah I guess the question would 1303 00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:51,810 have to be what is the test when we say 1304 00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:53,430 tests yeah there's a thousand different 1305 00:51:57,350 --> 00:51:56,070 things to test the day you first started 1306 00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:57,360 you first see if you can get off the 1307 00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,740 ground or whatever there's that test 1308 00:52:02,540 --> 00:51:59,760 that's right 1309 00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:02,550 so what were they quote-unquote testing 1310 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:03,960 on that particular day to your point 1311 00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,730 you're saying that well they could have 1312 00:52:09,859 --> 00:52:08,160 been testing to see if the radar could 1313 00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,869 pick this thing up but they could also 1314 00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:11,760 have taken the radar themselves and 1315 00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:14,510 tested they didn't so so if that's true 1316 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:17,609 then it would be back to the thing of 1317 00:52:23,930 --> 00:52:21,210 we're gonna test to see how our own Navy 1318 00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:23,940 would respond to this as a way of 1319 00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:29,460 testing how other militaries the other 1320 00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:31,160 countries militaries might respond to it 1321 00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:34,020 yeah but you wouldn't do that in a very 1322 00:52:38,210 --> 00:52:35,640 sort of casual training scenario you 1323 00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:38,220 would do you would have the the foal you 1324 00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:39,480 would have everybody up and ready up in 1325 00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:44,670 arms you know ready to engage with this 1326 00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:46,830 thing you wouldn't send them out say hey 1327 00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:49,109 go go see if you see anything over there 1328 00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:50,910 and let me know what happens and then 1329 00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:52,859 that the thing does a 360 and leaves I 1330 00:52:56,570 --> 00:52:54,780 mean that's a 90 second test that you've 1331 00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:56,580 essentially put him you know 1332 00:53:01,550 --> 00:52:58,530 multibillion-dollar aircraft carrier and 1333 00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:01,560 strike group and and you know fighter 1334 00:53:07,099 --> 00:53:05,070 planes in a certain point in time it 1335 00:53:09,980 --> 00:53:07,109 wasn't really I mean would you say this 1336 00:53:12,780 --> 00:53:09,990 was a dangerous mission for I mean 1337 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:12,790 assuming it was air force technology so 1338 00:53:17,250 --> 00:53:14,530 is not something that's gonna fight it 1339 00:53:19,220 --> 00:53:17,260 sure I mean what-what they were asked to 1340 00:53:21,630 --> 00:53:19,230 do to go check these things out you 1341 00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,640 wouldn't call that dangerous no it's not 1342 00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,200 dangerous but there is you know the law 1343 00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:24,880 of unintended consequences what if both 1344 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:25,960 of these planes had crashed in the ocean 1345 00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:28,210 because they freaked out or what if they 1346 00:53:33,060 --> 00:53:29,590 had hit each other planes hit each other 1347 00:53:34,590 --> 00:53:33,070 it happens I mean I you know I lost many 1348 00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:34,600 many friends flying in naval aviation 1349 00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:38,830 only one airplane out of the 20-ish was 1350 00:53:42,810 --> 00:53:40,630 hit in combat most of it happens in 1351 00:53:45,390 --> 00:53:42,820 training yeah in fact there was just a 1352 00:53:49,110 --> 00:53:45,400 couple planes that crashed where yeah I 1353 00:53:50,820 --> 00:53:49,120 think it was Air Force yeah yeah so yeah 1354 00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:50,830 I mean yeah well most of the deaths even 1355 00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:52,150 in World War two most of that's happened 1356 00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:53,860 in training so if you lost two people in 1357 00:54:00,210 --> 00:53:56,980 training or two airplanes through some 1358 00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,220 ill-conceived ill-designed tests how 1359 00:54:03,630 --> 00:54:01,440 would you explain that to their parents 1360 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:03,640 and their wives and their children you 1361 00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:06,130 would you wouldn't you feel horrible and 1362 00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:07,480 and this is something that the military 1363 00:54:12,930 --> 00:54:09,780 is experienced with right I mean we 1364 00:54:15,450 --> 00:54:12,940 people I just point out we lose more 1365 00:54:18,210 --> 00:54:15,460 pilots and planes in training than we do 1366 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:18,220 in combat yes okay but so but you try to 1367 00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,330 do it for a reason 1368 00:54:23,310 --> 00:54:21,520 and you try to do it yeah but you try to 1369 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:23,320 do it in a way that makes sense that you 1370 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:25,330 can glean the most amount of information 1371 00:54:30,090 --> 00:54:28,210 from it right I mean when we go you know 1372 00:54:31,590 --> 00:54:30,100 when we go do low-level training you 1373 00:54:34,590 --> 00:54:31,600 know you're flying a jet at 100 feet off 1374 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:34,600 the ground at 500 knots it doesn't make 1375 00:54:39,420 --> 00:54:35,770 any sense there's no reason to do that 1376 00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:39,430 it's super fun but you learn how to use 1377 00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:42,670 your airplane in a way that you can't 1378 00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:45,160 learn anywhere else right you're zipping 1379 00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:46,500 through valleys and over mountains 1380 00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:49,390 you're training yourself to fly this 1381 00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:51,880 airplane to the maximum extent possible 1382 00:54:57,330 --> 00:54:54,460 there's a value to that and every once 1383 00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:57,340 in a while somebody dies but the value 1384 00:55:02,610 --> 00:54:59,290 to learning how to fly your plane in 1385 00:55:04,890 --> 00:55:02,620 that manner overrides the risk and the 1386 00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:04,900 occasional loss yeah it's a risk reward 1387 00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:06,940 but I would just say that as you 1388 00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:09,700 acknowledge if this is in fact us 1389 00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:11,910 technology it's one of the greatest 1390 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:15,220 inventions in the history of mankind and 1391 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:17,110 gives us incredible dominance so if you 1392 00:55:23,530 --> 00:55:21,210 think about how significant this is 1393 00:55:27,730 --> 00:55:23,540 versus the risk 1394 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:27,740 well okay to your point uh if it is the 1395 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:30,410 most significant advancement in US 1396 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:33,050 technology why roll it out like this it 1397 00:55:34,690 --> 00:55:34,250 doesn't that doesn't make any sense 1398 00:55:37,330 --> 00:55:34,700 either 1399 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:37,340 I mean we've developed some incredible 1400 00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:38,690 things and kept them secret for a little 1401 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:40,430 while until they were used and then 1402 00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:42,050 everybody was like oh that's so cool the 1403 00:55:47,350 --> 00:55:44,390 you know f-117 stealth bomber it's 1404 00:55:48,460 --> 00:55:47,360 amazing I was probably one of the most 1405 00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:48,470 successful or the Manhattan Project 1406 00:55:54,790 --> 00:55:51,160 right you're developing a nuclear bomb 1407 00:55:57,850 --> 00:55:54,800 those are incredible advancements in 1408 00:55:59,140 --> 00:55:57,860 technology but they weren't they weren't 1409 00:56:00,520 --> 00:55:59,150 developed and released in the manner 1410 00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:00,530 that you're discussing it doesn't make 1411 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:02,630 really any sense to do that we're 17 1412 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:04,610 years out from the 2004 incident and 1413 00:56:09,490 --> 00:56:06,170 this information so hasn't been released 1414 00:56:11,170 --> 00:56:09,500 so I I think that people don't know what 1415 00:56:13,420 --> 00:56:11,180 to release I don't know that there's a 1416 00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:13,430 you know what I'm saying is if it's us 1417 00:56:19,900 --> 00:56:15,730 technology oh yeah well it's being kept 1418 00:56:23,290 --> 00:56:19,910 top secrets right and disclosed all this 1419 00:56:24,910 --> 00:56:23,300 time sure so it they have kept it under 1420 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:24,920 their hat in fact and I think it was 1421 00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:26,570 Nick cook that we were talking to her 1422 00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:28,640 maybe not was talking about how long 1423 00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:31,310 they kept secret one of those stealth 1424 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:35,240 technologies it was a f-117 it was a 1425 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:36,890 long time I would say maybe ten years I 1426 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:38,330 don't know it was definitely never 1427 00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:40,250 singles no way could you keep something 1428 00:56:44,740 --> 00:56:43,400 like this speaking of the tic-tac being 1429 00:56:46,030 --> 00:56:44,750 us technology no way could you keep it 1430 00:56:47,740 --> 00:56:46,040 quiet for this long but then I was 1431 00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:47,750 explained to me that no we've kept 1432 00:56:54,310 --> 00:56:51,200 things secret for a decade or two man 1433 00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:54,320 about that long I I so I don't believe 1434 00:56:57,340 --> 00:56:55,520 in conspiracy theories and I don't 1435 00:56:59,350 --> 00:56:57,350 believe in secrets I don't think you can 1436 00:57:02,920 --> 00:56:59,360 really keep things secret for more than 1437 00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:02,930 a generation it just doesn't work well 1438 00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:03,950 that's right about where we are right 1439 00:57:08,020 --> 00:57:06,350 now is the generation yeah he's claiming 1440 00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:08,030 it was first film probably about 20 1441 00:57:15,370 --> 00:57:12,560 years ago okay yeah 2004 would have been 1442 00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:15,380 you know Shores after it originally okay 1443 00:57:19,870 --> 00:57:18,110 I mean it just doesn't look he's got a 1444 00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:19,880 point of view on that and that's great 1445 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:22,310 to me it makes no sense at all it makes 1446 00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:24,050 absolutely no sense okay what about this 1447 00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:25,790 then just saying for sure it doesn't 1448 00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:26,780 make sense to you based on your 1449 00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:27,830 experience and that's what you're here 1450 00:57:33,070 --> 00:57:30,110 for is basing your experience because I 1451 00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:33,080 thought it was it for my book but I 1452 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:35,480 don't have experience with it you do so 1453 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:37,010 okay so the 1454 00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,090 I guess the next thing could have been 1455 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:40,160 simply that they were testing them and 1456 00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:42,890 it turns out that the Navy spotted them 1457 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:44,810 yeah and send some craft out so this 1458 00:57:50,620 --> 00:57:47,210 wasn't intended at all but they were out 1459 00:57:54,180 --> 00:57:50,630 there you know testing the tic tac 1460 00:57:57,130 --> 00:57:54,190 technology and the Navy happened to to 1461 00:57:59,470 --> 00:57:57,140 encounter it not to me that actually has 1462 00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,480 a little bit of validity to it so you 1463 00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:01,280 know the spy-1 radar and again I'm not a 1464 00:58:06,730 --> 00:58:04,160 I'm not a ship guy and and I don't know 1465 00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:06,740 the generations of their radar but I 1466 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:09,350 know that the spy-1 be I think it was in 1467 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:11,330 the Princeton was brand-new 1468 00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:13,850 so maybe they've got something that the 1469 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:16,550 people who developed a tic-tac didn't 1470 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:19,250 know they didn't realize that it would 1471 00:58:23,020 --> 00:58:20,450 show up on this radar that's fine I 1472 00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:23,030 could I could buy that that makes more 1473 00:58:28,090 --> 00:58:24,740 sense to me than some tests that went 1474 00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:28,100 awry okay well that's hoping the story I 1475 00:58:33,700 --> 00:58:31,190 like that yeah so let's talk a little 1476 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:33,710 bit then and then we're gonna get to the 1477 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:36,170 book but just to finish up on the turbo 1478 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:37,370 stuff and some of the stuff he says 1479 00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:39,770 about for instance this plant 42 and 1480 00:58:43,090 --> 00:58:41,750 what you know about you know I don't 1481 00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:43,100 know anything about that stuff I really 1482 00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:45,310 don't and and what do you know about 1483 00:58:51,340 --> 00:58:47,990 just you know secret projects in general 1484 00:58:53,770 --> 00:58:51,350 that you know Air Force or Navy has them 1485 00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:53,780 and how long it takes them to develop 1486 00:58:58,660 --> 00:58:56,480 things and ultimately to release them 1487 00:59:01,330 --> 00:58:58,670 and you know when it when when were you 1488 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:01,340 privy to things in your position as a 1489 00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:05,330 pilot you know is as need arose so you 1490 00:59:08,380 --> 00:59:07,040 know the only time and you know there's 1491 00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:08,390 been questions about NDA's and stuff 1492 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:09,590 like that the only time I ever signed an 1493 00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:13,010 NDA or some version of an NDA is when we 1494 00:59:18,130 --> 00:59:14,390 were going on deployment and we were 1495 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:18,140 carrying some new weapons that were you 1496 00:59:22,060 --> 00:59:19,850 know it was important that nobody else 1497 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:22,070 knew that we had these capabilities and 1498 00:59:27,790 --> 00:59:25,730 we were briefed in a huge room all the 1499 00:59:30,340 --> 00:59:27,800 aviators that would come into contact 1500 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:30,350 with these things and our commander the 1501 00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:32,330 Air Group sat us down and said here's 1502 00:59:34,930 --> 00:59:33,830 the deal don't [\h__\h] it up this is 1503 00:59:37,090 --> 00:59:34,940 important it's important that nobody 1504 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:37,100 knows that we have this so you can't sit 1505 00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:39,410 in a bar because like Dave flavor did 1506 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:41,480 with me you know you put two three 1507 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:43,130 aviators in a bar with a couple glasses 1508 00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:46,250 of you know alcoholic beverages and we 1509 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:50,940 tell stories that's what we do and they 1510 00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:52,890 they convinced us that it was the right 1511 00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:55,619 thing to do not to talk about this stuff 1512 00:59:59,500 --> 00:59:57,000 that's it that's the only time I've ever 1513 01:00:01,880 --> 00:59:59,510 had any kind of experience with that 1514 01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:01,890 what what do you make of the fact that 1515 01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:05,070 the Navy came forward and confirmed that 1516 01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:07,920 this is actual Navy video and these guys 1517 01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,020 in fact in countered this as opposed to 1518 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:11,760 just keeping quiet about it I mean I 1519 01:00:14,650 --> 01:00:13,050 think it's great I mean why wouldn't 1520 01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:14,660 they tell anybody you know I mean 1521 01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:17,609 general doesn't our military tend 1522 01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:19,980 towards secrecy rather than when it 1523 01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:22,740 makes sense it makes sense um you know 1524 01:00:28,790 --> 01:00:25,710 it's not you you you hold secrets when 1525 01:00:30,770 --> 01:00:28,800 they when they do you good when they're 1526 01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:30,780 useful to you right when having that 1527 01:00:36,829 --> 01:00:32,070 information and not sharing it with 1528 01:00:38,450 --> 01:00:36,839 others is of use to you if these things 1529 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:38,460 if they don't know what these things are 1530 01:00:42,290 --> 01:00:39,450 and they're flying around then what's 1531 01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:42,300 the point of keeping them secret well it 1532 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:44,280 might scare the bejesus out of people to 1533 01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:45,810 think that those things are flying 1534 01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:47,550 around in their own military doesn't 1535 01:00:50,839 --> 01:00:48,780 know what the heck they are well that's 1536 01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:50,849 fine it's not the Navy's job to you know 1537 01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:52,380 make people feel good when they're 1538 01:00:57,050 --> 01:00:54,089 watching you know the Simpsons or 1539 01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:57,060 whatever it's their job is to fly planes 1540 01:01:02,780 --> 01:01:01,200 and sail ships and and perhaps as part 1541 01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:02,790 of a change in policy because the other 1542 01:01:07,940 --> 01:01:05,910 thing that's come out now is the Navy 1543 01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:07,950 has made it very clear that hey pilots 1544 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:10,740 we want you to report for sure aerial 1545 01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:12,450 phenomena such as this and we're not 1546 01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:14,670 gonna wear our tin tin foil hats when 1547 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:15,660 you report it anymore 1548 01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:19,050 right yeah I think it's a it's an 1549 01:01:23,300 --> 01:01:21,000 interesting shift in policy so again 1550 01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,310 when I was in the Navy I never saw 1551 01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:24,720 anything nobody and you ever saw 1552 01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,510 anything until I heard of this story and 1553 01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:29,280 there was no policy nobody ever came to 1554 01:01:34,070 --> 01:01:32,310 me and said eh you know just in case you 1555 01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:34,080 know make sure your tapes on and you 1556 01:01:38,349 --> 01:01:35,310 know get as much detail as possible 1557 01:01:42,410 --> 01:01:38,359 nobody ever said that it never came up 1558 01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:42,420 clearly things have changed since 2004 1559 01:01:46,070 --> 01:01:44,070 and you know when it happened those guys 1560 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:46,080 were ridiculed there was a cartoon I 1561 01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:47,490 think I mentioned earlier you know they 1562 01:01:52,579 --> 01:01:50,880 were they were they were mocked the next 1563 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:52,589 day on the on the airplane you know 1564 01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:54,450 there's a UFO that's crashed and Dave's 1565 01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:57,240 flying away and and the cartoon says you 1566 01:01:59,180 --> 01:01:58,530 know with black ace one that would have 1567 01:02:01,160 --> 01:01:59,190 been his callsign 1568 01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,170 being a master of air-to-air combat the 1569 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:02,880 UFO never stood a chance right so these 1570 01:02:10,260 --> 01:02:03,610 they 1571 01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,270 ribbed for weeks and now you know after 1572 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:12,160 my article then the New York Times 1573 01:02:15,570 --> 01:02:14,170 article then the you know the videos 1574 01:02:17,970 --> 01:02:15,580 from the East Coast I think people are 1575 01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:17,980 saying huh there's there's something out 1576 01:02:21,390 --> 01:02:19,960 there perhaps we don't know what it is 1577 01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:21,400 but let's take it more seriously from 1578 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:24,880 the Navy point of view and if you know 1579 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:26,890 we're knowing the Navy where would that 1580 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:30,090 change in policy have emanated from 1581 01:02:35,730 --> 01:02:33,330 Secretary of the Navy or did the 1582 01:02:38,430 --> 01:02:35,740 Secretary of Defense or the President or 1583 01:02:41,010 --> 01:02:38,440 what I don't know that I don't know I 1584 01:02:42,420 --> 01:02:41,020 don't I mean that other than in the last 1585 01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:42,430 couple days the president generally 1586 01:02:47,810 --> 01:02:44,110 doesn't get involved in granular aspects 1587 01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:47,820 of you know dealing with the military I 1588 01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,200 mean you do have a guy though it was an 1589 01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:52,480 extremely unique president to say the 1590 01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:52,960 least 1591 01:02:56,730 --> 01:02:54,640 sure right he was the president over for 1592 01:02:58,860 --> 01:02:56,740 you you have a or no no but I'm talking 1593 01:03:00,330 --> 01:02:58,870 about just in the past six months what 1594 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:00,340 the Navy has come out with where they've 1595 01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:02,410 acknowledged the legitimacy of the video 1596 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:04,630 yeah it was just that was this year and 1597 01:03:11,490 --> 01:03:09,730 this new policy so and supposedly Trump 1598 01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:11,500 has been briefed about you know he was 1599 01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:13,030 asked about it by Tucker Carlson and 1600 01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:14,110 George Stephanopoulos and he 1601 01:03:17,490 --> 01:03:15,220 acknowledged that he's been briefed 1602 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:17,500 about this so you know you have an 1603 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:20,050 unorthodox president who is a genuine 1604 01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:23,410 outsider you know and someone who tends 1605 01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:26,380 to buy into conspiracy such as you know 1606 01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:28,030 the whole Obama birther thing etcetera 1607 01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:30,310 so right I'm thinking it's very possible 1608 01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:33,400 that this this more openness if we could 1609 01:03:37,140 --> 01:03:33,940 call it that 1610 01:03:40,110 --> 01:03:37,150 could be kind of coming from that hi sir 1611 01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:40,120 yeah I don't know that that changes 1612 01:03:45,180 --> 01:03:41,920 anything but yeah that it's entirely 1613 01:03:48,270 --> 01:03:45,190 possible so as you sit here today yeah 1614 01:03:50,070 --> 01:03:48,280 earthly or extraterrestrial I don't have 1615 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:50,080 I don't have a I don't have a dog in the 1616 01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:52,890 Sun so I will say that the only the only 1617 01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:55,990 perspective I have on this is from Dave 1618 01:04:01,350 --> 01:03:59,920 himself who said at one point you know 1619 01:04:03,420 --> 01:04:01,360 somebody asked him it wasn't me somebody 1620 01:04:05,610 --> 01:04:03,430 said do you think he posed the same 1621 01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:05,620 question that you just did and he said I 1622 01:04:10,140 --> 01:04:08,470 don't think it's of this world and 1623 01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:10,150 that's it I mean I I I didn't see 1624 01:04:14,940 --> 01:04:12,160 anything I've read the report anybody 1625 01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:14,950 could read a report you know I think 1626 01:04:18,819 --> 01:04:16,380 there's a lot of 1627 01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,829 of confirmation bias that comes around 1628 01:04:23,299 --> 01:04:21,359 this subject you know people are 1629 01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:23,309 validated by the rumors that they hear 1630 01:04:26,049 --> 01:04:24,240 that you know their opinions are 1631 01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:26,059 validated by the rumors that they hear 1632 01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:28,710 and they latch on to things like the ten 1633 01:04:34,150 --> 01:04:30,480 minute video or you know all this kind 1634 01:04:39,799 --> 01:04:34,160 of this BS that's floating out there now 1635 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:39,809 I I don't know and it doesn't to me it 1636 01:04:43,579 --> 01:04:41,490 doesn't really matter either way you 1637 01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:43,589 know it doesn't it's a bit intriguing 1638 01:04:47,660 --> 01:04:45,569 you know super intriguing but you know I 1639 01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:47,670 don't have any I don't have any insight 1640 01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:52,200 into if it was UFOs my supposition is 1641 01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,359 that it's a drone that's like an 1642 01:04:59,079 --> 01:04:56,220 exploratory drone that's sent out yeah I 1643 01:05:02,749 --> 01:04:59,089 don't think that humans could survive 1644 01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:02,759 the maneuvers that that tic-tac was 1645 01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:05,609 doing you know unless there was some 1646 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:07,710 really crazy tech and in there that 1647 01:05:11,779 --> 01:05:09,650 protects you somehow from that like a 1648 01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:11,789 like a Marvel movie or something like 1649 01:05:16,970 --> 01:05:15,299 that but um or is the drone it's a it's 1650 01:05:19,789 --> 01:05:16,980 an incredibly sophisticated advanced 1651 01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:19,799 drone have you been tracking it looks 1652 01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:21,480 like flavor now is hanging out with Bob 1653 01:05:26,539 --> 01:05:24,839 Lazar a bit are you familiar with now 1654 01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,549 now who's here oh you're not familiar 1655 01:05:29,269 --> 01:05:27,839 with them no okay 1656 01:05:31,249 --> 01:05:29,279 well Michael is very familiar with him 1657 01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:31,259 cuz he's tracking this for a long time I 1658 01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:32,880 just learned about him he was on Rogan 1659 01:05:37,759 --> 01:05:35,039 Joe Rogan show before favor was your 1660 01:05:39,980 --> 01:05:37,769 favor unbroken now I've but I've I mean 1661 01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,990 I've heard everything 7,000 times anyway 1662 01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:41,160 so Rogan had him on for a couple hours 1663 01:05:46,539 --> 01:05:42,900 and before that it was Bob Lazar and 1664 01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,549 then I heard Craver say that he was 1665 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:48,720 dependent Bob Lazar anyway he's the one 1666 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:52,650 from area 51 hmm who is one of the few 1667 01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:55,170 who's come out and reported that you 1668 01:05:59,390 --> 01:05:56,460 know what we were working on we were 1669 01:06:01,460 --> 01:05:59,400 working on alien technology I saw the 1670 01:06:02,930 --> 01:06:01,470 flying saucers it's a turd cetera well 1671 01:06:07,759 --> 01:06:02,940 that's another I mean you didn't really 1672 01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:07,769 bring that up so I I had I had a little 1673 01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:09,599 bit of an encounter with TTS a I was 1674 01:06:14,420 --> 01:06:11,369 gonna write a book for for those guys 1675 01:06:16,359 --> 01:06:14,430 and do you know to the stars yeah gotta 1676 01:06:20,779 --> 01:06:16,369 me and you know sort of that they're a 1677 01:06:23,150 --> 01:06:20,789 UFO research organization that also has 1678 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:23,160 a commercial aspect of books and films 1679 01:06:25,970 --> 01:06:24,450 so I was gonna write one of the series 1680 01:06:28,009 --> 01:06:25,980 of books and whatever it didn't work out 1681 01:06:28,849 --> 01:06:28,019 but I talked to Tom DeLonge for a long 1682 01:06:32,449 --> 01:06:28,859 time and 1683 01:06:35,449 --> 01:06:32,459 you know his theories are that it's UFO 1684 01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:35,459 tech that's crashed and we've somebody's 1685 01:06:41,259 --> 01:06:37,799 been able to exploit it and you know 1686 01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:41,269 he's got a lot of other theories as well 1687 01:06:46,819 --> 01:06:44,700 but you know that's that's a third 1688 01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:46,829 fourth fifth six possibility you could 1689 01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:50,400 throw any member on that I will say that 1690 01:06:53,749 --> 01:06:52,529 so this you know you're asking me 1691 01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:53,759 whether I believe it's of this world or 1692 01:06:59,449 --> 01:06:57,599 not and I don't really know but one of 1693 01:07:01,549 --> 01:06:59,459 the people I've talked to and I've sort 1694 01:07:04,839 --> 01:07:01,559 of refreshed all my contacts recently 1695 01:07:07,609 --> 01:07:04,849 knowing that I was coming on your show a 1696 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:07,619 guy I know that worked at Bigelow at 1697 01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:12,089 Bass was saying Bigelow's company yeah 1698 01:07:15,559 --> 01:07:13,859 which is called bass yeah okay I think 1699 01:07:17,509 --> 01:07:15,569 it's and and supposedly they got the 1700 01:07:19,489 --> 01:07:17,519 bulk of the funding to if it wasn't a 1701 01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,499 lot it's 22 ish million bucks which is 1702 01:07:23,329 --> 01:07:21,119 nothing right I mean that's like pocket 1703 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:23,339 change if that for the federal 1704 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:28,170 government but he said and I haven't 1705 01:07:30,229 --> 01:07:29,130 been able to do this I've been able to 1706 01:07:32,359 --> 01:07:30,239 find it yet because it was fairly 1707 01:07:33,620 --> 01:07:32,369 recently but he said look the Bigelow 1708 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:33,630 contract from the government is out 1709 01:07:38,479 --> 01:07:34,890 there it's on the Internet somebody can 1710 01:07:40,729 --> 01:07:38,489 find it it's been found it's in some you 1711 01:07:42,769 --> 01:07:40,739 know online site 1712 01:07:45,439 --> 01:07:42,779 the interesting thing in in that 1713 01:07:47,989 --> 01:07:45,449 contract is that there was nine very 1714 01:07:52,370 --> 01:07:47,999 specific areas of research that we were 1715 01:07:55,969 --> 01:07:52,380 asked to do and there's an agency that 1716 01:07:59,239 --> 01:07:55,979 funded it and whatever agency that is is 1717 01:08:00,430 --> 01:07:59,249 very important to know so I I'm found it 1718 01:08:04,189 --> 01:08:00,440 yet he didn't tell me 1719 01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:04,199 Wow yeah so that's so you know sting 1720 01:08:08,749 --> 01:08:06,809 lead it is an interesting learn it out 1721 01:08:10,939 --> 01:08:08,759 there I've got no part of Department of 1722 01:08:13,249 --> 01:08:10,949 Defense no Bigelow is not part of the 1723 01:08:15,769 --> 01:08:13,259 Department oh yes there's an apart there 1724 01:08:19,579 --> 01:08:15,779 is a organization it may or may not be a 1725 01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:19,589 Defense Department organization made may 1726 01:08:22,879 --> 01:08:21,089 or may not be Air Force whatever Navy it 1727 01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,889 could be the CIA I don't know because I 1728 01:08:25,939 --> 01:08:24,239 haven't seen it yet he went but for he 1729 01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:25,949 wasn't talking about a tip though no 1730 01:08:30,410 --> 01:08:27,900 because supposedly the money went 1731 01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:30,420 through a chip a chip was no no no this 1732 01:08:38,959 --> 01:08:36,630 is well before eight oh well so he no he 1733 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:38,969 didn't say it was a tip he said if you 1734 01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:40,770 can find it look and see what it's in 1735 01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:42,420 the contract see who it was 1736 01:08:46,810 --> 01:08:44,640 the money that whose budget that money 1737 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:46,820 came out of that 22 million bucks right 1738 01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:49,530 so if any any your listeners are out 1739 01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:50,910 there they can find that they can send 1740 01:08:54,980 --> 01:08:52,380 it to you that I think that would move 1741 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:54,990 the discussion forward because I think 1742 01:08:59,720 --> 01:08:56,970 you know all the stuff about the video 1743 01:09:02,150 --> 01:08:59,730 and you know the tic-tac and the gimbal 1744 01:09:03,730 --> 01:09:02,160 and all that stuff is interesting but 1745 01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:03,740 it's really not gonna move it forward 1746 01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:07,500 and if people care about taking the 1747 01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:09,270 discussion forward and that's probably 1748 01:09:14,990 --> 01:09:11,630 the next step 1749 01:09:16,790 --> 01:09:15,000 cool all right let's talk about lions of 1750 01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:16,800 the sky I've read a little synopsis of 1751 01:09:20,060 --> 01:09:18,450 it haven't gotten to read the thing yet 1752 01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:20,070 but looking forward to reading it 1753 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:22,830 there's no UFOs it sounds like missense 1754 01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:25,170 it is it sounds a little bit like one of 1755 01:09:29,270 --> 01:09:26,670 my favorite movies Top Gun tell me tell 1756 01:09:34,850 --> 01:09:29,280 me what's behind the book yeah sure so 1757 01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:34,860 it's it's a story about a class of young 1758 01:09:39,710 --> 01:09:38,370 f-18 students and they're they're going 1759 01:09:42,500 --> 01:09:39,720 through their training to become 1760 01:09:44,540 --> 01:09:42,510 qualified f-18 pilots there's a male 1761 01:09:47,660 --> 01:09:44,550 flight instructor who's gonna he's on 1762 01:09:49,130 --> 01:09:47,670 there his last tour and he's got some 1763 01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:49,140 issues with female pilots and there's 1764 01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:51,410 two females in this in this class and 1765 01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:53,640 there's so you can already be working on 1766 01:09:59,960 --> 01:09:56,640 the screenplay for those playing the 1767 01:10:02,510 --> 01:09:59,970 lead the worst questions I have no idea 1768 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:02,520 but anyway sort of counterbalance 1769 01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,650 against that is is a rising threat in 1770 01:10:09,740 --> 01:10:07,280 the South China Sea a real world threat 1771 01:10:11,570 --> 01:10:09,750 and obviously at the end of the story 1772 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:11,580 there's this great climactic battle 1773 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:12,930 scene where people prove their mettle 1774 01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:16,770 and you know it's but it's it's a little 1775 01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:18,120 bit of a compilation of all my 1776 01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:19,860 experiences flying fighters for twenty 1777 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:21,960 years of flying in the Navy and you know 1778 01:10:25,790 --> 01:10:24,210 the inherent drama and danger of landing 1779 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:25,800 on aircraft carriers and the excitement 1780 01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:27,330 of learning how to fly and shoot 1781 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:29,400 missiles and bomb and guns and stuff 1782 01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:32,130 like that and the real human story of 1783 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:34,500 you know the dealing with these 1784 01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:38,850 challenges and the fears and the sort of 1785 01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:40,770 remnants of sexism that exists in the 1786 01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:43,560 fighter community and I mean it's a it's 1787 01:10:48,590 --> 01:10:46,830 a really very human thriller yeah so 1788 01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:48,600 there probably weren't a lot of female 1789 01:10:53,710 --> 01:10:50,100 pilots around when you first started 1790 01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:53,720 they were not and my even permitted 1791 01:10:58,430 --> 01:10:56,130 about halfway through my my 1792 01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:58,440 dooty career so my female lead in this 1793 01:11:01,570 --> 01:10:59,820 is based on one of my squad roommates 1794 01:11:05,930 --> 01:11:01,580 who unfortunately was the first female 1795 01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:05,940 at 14 pilot and the first woman to die 1796 01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:08,040 flying in fighters she died trying to 1797 01:11:12,919 --> 01:11:11,010 land on the on the Lincoln and she was 1798 01:11:16,399 --> 01:11:12,929 just this awesome person really great 1799 01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:16,409 dynamic personality she was a skilled 1800 01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,409 pilot who you know was assailed for her 1801 01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:21,840 gender and then after she died her 1802 01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,219 gender was used as proof that she was 1803 01:11:28,990 --> 01:11:25,679 unqualified even though that's not what 1804 01:11:31,939 --> 01:11:29,000 the investigation showed so you know I 1805 01:11:34,490 --> 01:11:31,949 her memory never left me and I designed 1806 01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:34,500 my female lead around her like what 1807 01:11:38,060 --> 01:11:36,330 would her life had looked like had she 1808 01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,070 not died you know how how would she have 1809 01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:40,560 overcome and convinced people around her 1810 01:11:44,540 --> 01:11:42,540 that she was indeed where she was meant 1811 01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:44,550 to be so she's a little bit of a badass 1812 01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:46,620 and the dudes pretty fun and cool and 1813 01:11:52,669 --> 01:11:49,050 you know some guys incredible is based 1814 01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,679 on that true life yeah event so as we 1815 01:11:58,760 --> 01:11:54,300 said here today what percentage of 1816 01:12:00,919 --> 01:11:58,770 fighter pilots are female very small 1817 01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:00,929 percentage and it's you know the Navy 1818 01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:02,340 has done a great job I think in the last 1819 01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:05,940 20 years of encouraging minorities of 1820 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:09,449 all stripes women men of color women of 1821 01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:14,489 color to to join all parts of in the 1822 01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:17,400 Navy it's just something that not a lot 1823 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:19,500 of women have gone into so hopefully 1824 01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:21,570 more than ever I mean II more an 1825 01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:23,610 inherent advantage that a man would have 1826 01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:26,190 as a pilot you know I mean I know in the 1827 01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,230 if is the physical aspect I mean is 1828 01:12:33,410 --> 01:12:30,000 there a physical strength aspect to 1829 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:33,420 being a fighter jet pilot I mean you 1830 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:34,650 know you have to have some strength but 1831 01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:36,449 listen my wife tells me that giving 1832 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:37,679 birth to children takes more strength 1833 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:39,570 than I'll ever know so I'll have to take 1834 01:12:42,979 --> 01:12:41,610 her word for it and there plenty of 1835 01:12:45,890 --> 01:12:42,989 women out there that I've done just fine 1836 01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:45,900 and gone on to be you know commander of 1837 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:48,710 the Air Group so you know it's it's not 1838 01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:50,489 physical I think there's some cultural 1839 01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:53,790 issues around women you know most 1840 01:12:58,850 --> 01:12:57,780 fighter pilots men start off as young 1841 01:13:00,530 --> 01:12:58,860 boys and they're like this is what I 1842 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:00,540 want to do from you know the time they 1843 01:13:03,979 --> 01:13:02,370 can tie their shoes and they're 1844 01:13:06,740 --> 01:13:03,989 encouraged to do that I don't think 1845 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:06,750 that's the same with women it's not the 1846 01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:09,170 same sort of cultural 1847 01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:12,960 encouragement so last little piece I'd 1848 01:13:16,700 --> 01:13:14,670 like like to cover with you uh regarding 1849 01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:16,710 the book is South China Sea why South 1850 01:13:20,150 --> 01:13:19,110 China Sea as a point of conflict what's 1851 01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:20,160 going on what's going on there that 1852 01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:21,480 people need to know about that we need 1853 01:13:25,490 --> 01:13:23,880 to be concerned about yeah well you know 1854 01:13:27,260 --> 01:13:25,500 it's it's a part of the world that's 1855 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:27,270 always fascinated me and one of the 1856 01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:28,290 questions one of the other questions 1857 01:13:31,190 --> 01:13:29,970 other than UFOs that I always get asked 1858 01:13:35,090 --> 01:13:31,200 is like where's the next war gonna 1859 01:13:38,150 --> 01:13:35,100 happen and the South China Sea is a very 1860 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:38,160 very legitimate flashpoint it's it's a 1861 01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:40,650 place of huge concern 1/3 of the world's 1862 01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:43,860 oil travels through there there's a 1863 01:13:47,210 --> 01:13:45,480 massive amount of natural gas 1864 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:47,220 potentially a huge amount of oil 1865 01:13:53,210 --> 01:13:49,410 underneath the ocean it's international 1866 01:13:56,330 --> 01:13:53,220 waters but that regime has claimed it as 1867 01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:56,340 their own through force they've told 1868 01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:57,480 somewhere they're building the islands 1869 01:14:01,100 --> 01:13:59,640 yeah they've taken all these a tolls and 1870 01:14:05,210 --> 01:14:01,110 militarized them even though they said 1871 01:14:07,970 --> 01:14:05,220 they wouldn't so it's it's a it's an 1872 01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:07,980 obvious imperialistic move by the 1873 01:14:13,940 --> 01:14:11,040 Chinese so other than not want in China 1874 01:14:15,380 --> 01:14:13,950 to get too big and too scary or would 1875 01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:15,390 you say the only other concern about the 1876 01:14:21,890 --> 01:14:17,280 South China Sea really is the shipping 1877 01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:21,900 lanes so the United States is an island 1878 01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:25,380 nation in essence okay so we survive on 1879 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:27,960 the ability to trade free trade and we 1880 01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:31,050 we are the world's protectors of the sea 1881 01:14:34,190 --> 01:14:32,310 lanes that's what the Navy does we 1882 01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,200 protect we go out throughout the world 1883 01:14:39,650 --> 01:14:36,000 and our primary mission is to protect 1884 01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:39,660 the sea lanes if somebody and that's one 1885 01:14:47,060 --> 01:14:43,100 of the most valuable straits chokeholds 1886 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:47,070 navigational areas on planet earth if 1887 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:48,810 somebody decided to take over the Panama 1888 01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:51,330 Canal that was unfriendly to us that 1889 01:14:58,700 --> 01:14:55,140 would be a huge source of concern and it 1890 01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:58,710 would it would allow China to control 1891 01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,010 the trade in the Pacific so that's a 1892 01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:03,600 very big deal I mean that affects us 1893 01:15:09,620 --> 01:15:07,110 moving forward in a huge way and how 1894 01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:09,630 close are they getting to possibly being 1895 01:15:16,850 --> 01:15:12,840 able to do that it's you know if it 1896 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:16,860 weren't for the US you know in 1897 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:18,810 opposition and sort of blatant 1898 01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:20,130 opposition you know they claim these 1899 01:15:23,029 --> 01:15:21,810 waters and we sail our ships through 1900 01:15:24,589 --> 01:15:23,039 them and we tell them like hey 1901 01:15:26,179 --> 01:15:24,599 we're gonna send a ship through tomorrow 1902 01:15:27,889 --> 01:15:26,189 don't shoot us unless you mean business 1903 01:15:29,299 --> 01:15:27,899 it's just one of the things that's on 1904 01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:29,309 the table right now in the big 1905 01:15:32,689 --> 01:15:31,289 negotiations with China no that's all 1906 01:15:34,579 --> 01:15:32,699 trade 1907 01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,589 there's nothing about hey guys knock it 1908 01:15:37,549 --> 01:15:35,760 off with these islands and stop 1909 01:15:39,349 --> 01:15:37,559 militarizing these islands etc I don't 1910 01:15:43,849 --> 01:15:39,359 think that's on the trade negotiations 1911 01:15:47,299 --> 01:15:43,859 now it is a discussion point but it's 1912 01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:47,309 not a trade discussion point cool Paco 1913 01:15:50,539 --> 01:15:49,260 thank you so much for coming down hey 1914 01:15:52,129 --> 01:15:50,549 thanks for having appreciate it yeah 1915 01:15:54,339 --> 01:15:52,139 it's my pleasure information I didn't 1916 01:15:57,049 --> 01:15:54,349 know you surprised me with a classified 1917 01:16:01,219 --> 01:15:57,059 report I tried to get that out of your 1918 01:16:02,959 --> 01:16:01,229 hand yeah you know that thing really is 1919 01:16:04,489 --> 01:16:02,969 classified I don't really care about the 1920 01:16:06,049 --> 01:16:04,499 information in it it's just that I was 1921 01:16:07,279 --> 01:16:06,059 asked not to reveal names and that's 1922 01:16:10,009 --> 01:16:07,289 really all I care about you know I've 1923 01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:10,019 got a trust with my my people that I 1924 01:16:13,129 --> 01:16:11,369 flew in the Navy with and some of them 1925 01:16:14,329 --> 01:16:13,139 don't want their names out there well 1926 01:16:16,069 --> 01:16:14,339 we're gonna do everything we can to both 1927 01:16:18,289 --> 01:16:16,079 promote the book and the fact that you 1928 01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:18,299 were the first one to break the tic-tac